I am HIV Positive...

[stogie bear]

That's fair enough, but if the original poster had just kept quiet then you might not have been quite so cautious the next time YOU get horny! Certainly this thread has reminded me to play safe so I thank him for that.

If we are playing safe would knowing make a difference?

If these girls are known to us and are popular then should we be informed? They may (or three of them at least) be HIV free.

Should the girls protect themselves by being 'firmer' (sorry) about the rules they play by?

I don't have the answers but there have been some good arguments for both sides on this thread.

[D33]

(rick @ Sep. 20 2007,22:39) D33, is it not our " job" to warn people about immedeate danger? Tsunamis,crackhead waiving his gun in a supermarket, drunk drivers etc., either? We shouldn´t give a shit about others ,and just let the people assigned for that "job" do that?
Such a stupid remark.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but fucking someone without a condom is YOUR problem, not mine, and I don't feel bad for not telling you.

We are all grown men. If we choose to bareback or be barebacked, then that is on us. I'm not going to hold anyone's hand as they monger irresponsibly. If you are a close friend, yea, you will get a heads up, but just some guy I don't know who just happens to be on a message board I'm on, sorry. I'm nobodies hero.

If we do anything without condoms, we test them. If you don't care enough about yourself to test them too, then you can't expect me to care about you.

All the things you mentioned, Tsunamis and the like... sitting on a beach, blindly walking into a store being robbed, all a little different that a reckless guy KNOWINGLY taking the risk and dipping his cock bareback into a whore.

So say my remark is stupid. But guess what? I know several of the ones who are HIV+... do you?

[D33]

(gailge @ Sep. 20 2007,20:32)

(D33 @ Sep. 20 2007,11:24) I know several HIV+ LBs in Pattaya and Bangkok. Not my job to warn the world about them, as is it not yours. We are all grown men, and if we choose to be careless, that is on us.

What I do suggest is to get another test. Sometimes false positives happen. And if you test + confirm the test with a Western Blot test.

Best of luck to you.

I am very much aware that its not my job to warm others but in saying that dont you think it vwould be irresponsible to say nothing..My post may at least make guys open their eyes to the fact that it does actually happen to fools like me and its always a risky game.
Dont mean to be a joy killer but lets be real.I dont think my post does any harm and jus because my days in the LB scene is over im not trying to spoil anybodys fun.
Just want to wake u guys up.
Be good and be carefull and have lots of fun doing it.

I think you are doing the right thing but keeping your mouth shut about who it may be.

It would be irresponsible to name names, and even more so that 3 of them don't, or may not have it.

[D33]

(stogie bear @ Sep. 21 2007,08:52) If we are playing safe would knowing make a difference?

Exactly.

Without question ALL of us has been with at least 1 HIV+ ladyboy if you have spent any time at all in Thailand playing with LBs.

But if you play totally safe, does it matter? Nope.

So better to keep on playing safe and not worry about it.

[rxpharm]

Being a health care worker, I cannot condone the publication of the names of anyone HIV+. There is a good reason why confidentiality should be maintained in cases like these, unless it can be proved that someone is deliberately spreading HIV. In most countries it is against the law to publicize the medical condition of anyone, unless the person does it themself.

Gailge I am sorry to hear that you are now HIV+ even after taking the usual precautions - while some are skeptical, it is possible for whatever reasons that were not expected - possible broken condom, perhaps open sore in mouth, etc. If you are in a country with modern health care, there are now very effective antiviral medication combinations that can control HIV so the life span is extended many years, possibly long enough for the discovery of a cure. The drawback is the expense and side effects of the drugs. However these side effects are becoming less with the newer generations of HIV antivirals.

I wish you good luck with your treatment and it would be best to contact the 4 ladies involved so they can get tested and go for treatment if one of them turns out to be positive.

For those who insist the names should be revealed, just think about how you would feel if you were named, but were actually HIV negative.

[stogie bear]

I'm with you... Nowadays HIV is largely preventable and it's not a natural disaster we should be mothered over! Every single person reading this has the information to protect themselves against HIV infection.

If the risk of STDs is worth it then protect yourself at all times, be judicious in your selection of partners and enjoy yourself. If the risk is too high then stay at home.

Rick - if you get HIV, get run over or even get into a fight in a bar and you want someone to blame then look in the mirror.

[Fred_Nguyen]

(rick @ Sep. 20 2007,22:39) I think  gailge should tell in pm  those who wants to know, not necessairly post it here.

He can always go to the trip reports forum and tell everyone about the good times he had with 4 pretty LB since his divorce.

He doesn't have to say anything else.

[Guest]

(D33 @ Sep. 21 2007,09:01) So say my remark is stupid. But guess what? I know several of the ones who are HIV+... do you?

Well,we had this discussion before, on the other board. I know your opinion and what business you´re in, i think that play a major part here. Don´t wanna upset the actors and their friends.
And no, i don´t know of any hiv+ lb´s in LOS and if you have your way i never will. Don´t be afraid of information, we need it , good or bad.


sb, that´s just silly. Should i blame myself if were in wtc on  9-11 too? You blame yourself for everything bad that happens to you?

fred, he´s not gonna say shit after the last threats..opps thread here with "advices" from some hotshots.

[Fred_Nguyen]

(stogie bear @ Sep. 20 2007,15:02) I'd love to know which one of the regular posters felt the need to re-register a new username to post this... Anyone else recognise the style?  

I think "Gailge" is something in Irish. Someone who is Irish or has an Irish username maybe?

[stogie bear]

Yes - he could, but he has decided that he isn't going to. If I'd found out that I was HIV positive I'd be extremely angry and would probably do all I could to establish exactly who it was and when I found out I'd persecute them where they worked and on this forum till they were forced to go back to the little town they came from...

But I'd be wrong to do that... at the end of the day it's simply my fault. It's my fault the condom broke or 'I just couldn't help myself' or 'I thought I'd taken all the precautions that I needed to, to stay free of HIV, and it just happened.'

Do I want to know who these four ladyboys are? Sure I do... who doesn't? D33 made a sobering comment that if we play even a little it's pretty obvious that we've all fucked at least one or more HIV positive ladyboys... How could we not have!

Brrrrr! That thought sends shivers down my spine!

[Guest]

(stogie bear @ Sep. 21 2007,09:28) Yes - he could, but he has decided that he isn't going to.

Gee, wonder why!

Thank fuck for the free world.


"Do I want to know who these four ladyboys are? Sure I do... who doesn't? D33 made a sobering comment that if we play even a little it's pretty obvious that we've all fucked at least one or more HIV positive ladyboys... How could we not have!"

You know all the bkk lb´s so of course you know (of) them, but do you know for sure who these 4 are?

[stogie bear]

Should i blame myself if were in wtc on 9-11 too?

Of course, if by being there you knew there was a risk of death...

People caught up in the WTC disaster were very very unlucky. They never were to even think that muslims would fly jumbo jets into their offices! But you can take precautions to prevent catching the HIV virus. You can not go with a P4P ladyboy or you can choose your partners outside of the P4P arena or you can be sensible about who you choose inside the P4P arena or you can get drunk and wear a condom...

All sensible precautions...

You wouldn't expect people working in high rise offices to phone up local traffic control over their cornflakes to make sure there were no planes veering off course before you set off for work!

[Guest]

Ok ok, its gailge´s fault. Poor gailge.
Nevermind, lets live in oblivion and be happy idiots.

[Fred_Nguyen]

(rick @ Sep. 21 2007,09:40) Ok ok, its gailge´s fault. Poor gailge.
Nevermind, lets live in oblivion and be happy idiots.

If anyone says that 1-2-GO is shite and dangerous, well they are an asshole for hurting 1-2-GO's reputation and costing them business.

[Skinhound]

This thread makes me think that it ought to become a policy of this board to never name anyone..LB or otherwise... suspected of having HIV.

The only possible results of naming such people would be to:

1. Create a false sense of security in the minds of some members ie. 'I'm safer if I stay away from LB's 1/2/3/4'.

How would you govern your behaviour with the remainder of the LB population about whose HIV status you haven't a clue? In other words, such knowledge shouldn't change your safe sex practices at all ie. you wouldn't stop using rubbers with girls other than the ones named would you?

2. Open the door to all kinds of untrue and slanderous rumours regarding peoples' HIV status.

I understand the desire of some members to know the names of these LB's as I would prefer to avoid them as well, but the reality is that our hobby is not without risk. I have been in the P4P game for about 20 years now and with the exception of a case of chlamydia, have been disease free.

I believe this is because I operate under the assumption that unless I know otherwise, EVERYONE I have sex with is HIV+, and govern myself accordingly. Everyone has their own level of risk aversion, but this approach is what lets me sleep at night knowing that I have very likely had sex with folks with some nasty diseases.

Interesting thread. My sympathies to the original poster.