The thread about FEMBOYS...

[kahuna]

(Master Bator @ Apr. 28 2009,09:22) Are there still some of you out there that consider this to be a ladyboy because she has long hair and wide hips??

Unless I'm mistaken, you are the only one who has mentioned long hair...

[Master Bator]

When an example is given of how a femboy should look or if a comment is given like "now that's what I thinks is a nice femboy" quite often they have short hair. Look back through the 100+ pages....

IMHO all LBs start off as femboys so if you post an early stage picture of Neung, Emma, Nicky etc. etc. they are femboy pictures regardless of whether they are voluptuous ladies now.

[PigDogg]

Generally if they have silicone, then they're not a femboy.  But if you don't have silicone you can still be a ladyboy.

Long hair, all else being equal, pushes one towards ladyboy on the femboy-ladyboy continuum.  But if a crossdresser wears a long haired wig, that doesn't make him a ladyboy.

[Master Bator]

(PigDogg @ Apr. 28 2009,10:02) Long hair, all else being equal, pushes one towards ladyboy on the femboy-ladyboy continuum.

We can continue forever on this continuum....

I just don't understand what the fuss is all about.
When I just joined the forum I was constantly on the Mirimark thread but after a while Igot bored with it as not much new was being added. Then some BM's like Saiphon started to post some IMHO fine specimens.
Now they are getting comments - these are not femboys! And we are going to delete your pics if the tits are just a wee bit too big.

By doing so you are demotiviting people to continue posting. Nuff said....

[kahuna]

I ain't certain long hair is the defining feature...

Most ladyboys I spent time with over then past 6 months had long hair...It wasn't their
hair, but it was indeed long...Long hair only costs about 800 baht...So, because they had
hair extensions were they ladyboys?  Of course they were, but not because of the long
hair...

In my opinion it's a whole lot more complicated then long or short or no hair...But as I posted
earlier, most BMs here define a femboy by their tits...And while it's not my definition, I suppose
that's as good as any other...

But you certainly would never ask for a femboy in Sunee Plaza...

And I don't believe it is Stogie's intent to delete all the questionable pics...Just those that are clearly photos of ladyboys...

[Chinaman]

I voted for leaving them in considering that this might end up in a lot of work and confusion. But I also don't know how many posts/pics would have to be deleted.

My approach would be to - from now on - move all pics which in the eye of the moderator/s are not femboys - to another thread and see how this goes. To make it more obvious a new thread "Femboys - Part 2" or "Femboys - the gallery continues" could be created which would keep the authenticity of the current one and start with more strictly enforced rules now.

[alan1chef]

Kahuna, I don't think it is as simple as silicone implants or not, nor is it simply long hair or not...I certainly agree it is more complex than just those physical attributes. I think that Mirimark and Stogie have the expertise to make decisions as to who belongs in the femboy category and who belongs in the ladyboy category.

[kahuna]

I'm sorry...I'm missing the point of your post...Didn't I say that Chef...Clearly one
of us has a reading comprehension problem...

I believe that I said I voted to delete but suspect that the majority will disagree...

Now, I would indeed trust Stogie's judgement...But to the best of my recollection,
Mirimark has never been to LOS nor been with a femboy...So I'm not certain he would
qualify as an expert...But since it is his thread, I would also think he might have something
to say...

Nor do I believe that many of the posters on the subject thread have had any
experience in LOS with Sunee type femboys...

Do you?  I'd wager not...In fact, as I recall you have never been to Thailand either...

I'm not making any judgements...I hardly read on the thread...I spend most of my time
in Thailand with the real thing...not looking at photos...But when I do wander over there,
with a few exceptions, it is a very good and very popular photo thread...

Let me summarize for you...I don't really give a rat's or chef's ass what they do to the
thread...I was only offering my opinion based on my experience in Thailand...I fully
understand that BMs are gonna believe what they want and use their own personal definitions
same as I do...and that's fine...

Cheers,

Kahuna

[saiphon]

(kahuna @ Apr. 28 2009,13:35) I'm sorry...I'm missing the point of your post...Didn't I say that Chef...Clearly one
of us has a reading comprehension problem...

I believe that I said I voted to delete but suspect that the majority will disagree...

Now, I would indeed trust Stogie's judgement...But to the best of my recollection,
Mirimark has never been to LOS nor been with a femboy...So I'm not certain he would
qualify as an expert...But since it is his thread, I would also think he might have something
to say...

Nor do I believe that many of the posters on the subject thread have had any
experience in LOS with Sunee type femboys...

Do you?  I'd wager not...In fact, as I recall you have never been to Thailand either...

I'm not making any judgements...I hardly read on the thread...I spend most of my time
in Thailand with the real thing...not looking at photos...But when I do wander over there,
with a few exceptions, it is a very good and very popular photo thread...

Let me summarize for you...I don't really give a rat's or chef's ass what they do to the
thread...I was only offering my opinion based on my experience in Thailand...I fully
understand that BMs are gonna believe what they want and use their own personal definitions
same as I do...and that's fine...

Cheers,

Kahuna

And that's only your opinion too. I wasn't going to get involved in this discussion as I have posted quite alot of photo's what I regard as Femboys and let me tell you I HAVE OVER 30 YEARS experience of both travelling to and living in Thailand and Cambodia.

If I post an old photo of someone who now has bolt ons - so what!!!. When the photo was taken she was a Femboy. All ladyboys start out as Femboys so why not look back and appreciate what they once looked like.

Personally I think this whole thread is a load of bull. Nobody has really posted anything that offended the Femboy Lovers Union but then maybe there is a section that really only want to see boys in skirts and not the Femboys that the rest of us like.

Saiphon.

[Stogie]

Yep... some are clearly girls stuck in the wrong body. Kahuna gets it so do many others...

[alan1chef]

Kahuna, you're the one with the comprehension problem. You claimed that I defined femboys only on the basis of silicone.

"It is it clear, at least to me, that the majority of BMs, including you Mr. Chef, right or wrong, define a femboy on the basis of silicone..."

I never said that. I never even implied that.

[Master Bator]

(saiphon @ Apr. 28 2009,15:16) And that's only your opinion too. I wasn't going to get involved in this discussion as I have posted quite alot of photo's what I regard as Femboys and let me tell you I HAVE OVER 30 YEARS experience of both travelling to and living in Thailand and Cambodia.

If I post an old photo of someone who now has bolt ons - so what!!!. When the photo was taken she was a Femboy. All ladyboys start out as Femboys so why not look back and appreciate what they once looked like.

Personally I think this whole thread is a load of bull. Nobody has really posted anything that offended the Femboy Lovers Union but then maybe there is a section that really only want to see boys in skirts   and not the Femboys that the rest of us like.

Saiphon.

I'll second that but you must have gathered that from my posts where I came to your defense.


Soi 8 Dave has just posted one that some will really like, but is not my kinda boy. I like a bit more fem.

So let's make a new category of Superfemboys....

If you speak to Thai LB's about femboys they say they don't exist. They say they are ladyboys from day one.
The others are just gay boys.

[saiphon]

(Master Bator @ Apr. 28 2009,21:07) Saiphon.

I'll second that but you must have gathered that from my posts where I came to your defense.


Soi 8 Dave has just posted one that some will really like, but is not my kinda boy. I like a bit more fem.

So let's make a new category of Superfemboys....

If you speak to Thai LB's about femboys they say they don't exist. They say they are ladyboys from day one.
The others are just gay boys.[/quote]
Thanks MB, I saw your post and it is much appreciated.

Let me give my definition as to what is what. Now to me a Femboy (as distinct to an effeminate gay boy) is one who is in the early stages of becoming a ladyboy.

As most Femboys are quite young when they make this decision and are usually attending school they cannot grow their hair long or be hyped too much on hormones. But some start in their late teens and do - ergo there are two distinct groups and to separate either would do an injustice to both.

She (as he will now want to be known as) will start to dress, behave and try to speak as a female - hence the term Ladyboy. At this stage I regard them as Femboys - when they get a bit older (and bolder) and are set in the life of a TS then I regard them as a Ladyboy - or Ladyman as they themselves refer to each other when they are usually in their mid 20's.

On the other hand I have met, bedded and befriended a couple of Femboys who were starting out on the LB trail and decided to revert back to Effeminate Gay Boys - something something totally different - both in my eyes and also in theirs too. However the EGB's do nothing for me at all, but I have seen quite alot of Farangs who dabble in both and if the truth be told probably prefer the EFB's.

As to whether their hair is long or short I think that is either an environmental issue or a fashion choice and shouldn't be a defining criteria. Silicone tits and age in my opinion should be though.

On a last point I wonder how many of those who whinge and criticise have actually been to LOS or indeed have dipped into the dark side.

Saiphon

[kahuna]

(saiphon @ Apr. 28 2009,15:16)

(kahuna @ Apr. 28 2009,13:35)  

I'm not making any judgements...

I was only offering my opinion based on my experience in Thailand...I fully understand that BMs are gonna believe what they
want and use their own personal definitions same as I do...and that's fine...

And that's only your opinion too.

Didn't I say I wasn't making any judgements and it was only my opinion...

But let me make it clear...It's only my opinion...

Sometime back I posted on another thread about femboys that if you ask 10 BMs what a femboy is you'll get 12 different definitions...

I still believe that is true...

Again, I'm not being judgemental...I didn't start this thread...Post what you want...Most photos are stock pics from porno sites (many
from Captain Outrageous) and not personal photos anyway...They're not only entertaining but good advertisements for the sites as well...

[PigDogg]

The general consensus here is simply the majority opinion of the guys on this forum.

Guys on the str8 forums have another opinion.

Guys on the gay foriums have yet another opinion.

And the ladyboys themselves also have opinions that should count.