Calypso Cabaret (3 pics)

[rxpharm]

Yes, Guoy, she was Miss Friendship at a Miss Tiffany contest a few years ago. While this is supposed to be a Calypso post, Gouy used to work for Calypso years ago.

I have seen all the big cabaret shows - one of these weird guys who actually likes the shows.

Here are 3 photos of Guoy, enjoy!

[SukhumvitRoad]

Doug.....

I have to second Mr. Bear there. It's very nice to read a thoughtful, reflective take on the local culture when, on the whole, what you get online isn't much but blown-out-the-ass crappola.

I've said it before, but it's worth saying again: this board produces more intelligent postings about Thailand than all the other Thai boards put together.

[allstar88]

(jimslim @ Mar. 26 2008,03:13)

(doug @ Mar. 25 2008,17:12) I know these caberet girls don't make much, but to see these girls pack away 800-baht plates of crab and shrimp as if they hadn't had a decent meal in weeks was just annoying.  Especially when they ordered WAY more than they could possibly eat just so they could take it home.

Phone everyone , dinners on the farang  

mmmm...that looks like m.k.?

[friedfrunk]

Wow! Real's hotness is really unreal. She also looks very long and leggy. Would love for her to give me a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick.

[rxpharm]

Another topless shot from a different angle - unfortunately I was not in a good seat - so a few heads in the way. I think Real (Lio) is 4th from the right with the ribbon around her neck.

[doug]

(SukhumvitRoad @ Mar. 30 2008,12:28) Doug.....

I have to second Mr. Bear there. It's very nice to read a thoughtful, reflective take on the local culture when, on the whole, what you get online isn't much but blown-out-the-ass crappola.

I've said it before, but it's worth saying again: this board produces more intelligent postings about Thailand than all the other Thai boards put together.

Thanks.

I like Thai culture, even though there are times when I feel I'm stuck in a "Leave It To Beaver" episode.

I think it's the pet project of every long-term expat to pontificate and generalize about Thai culture, and there's ample proof for every opinion. It's a big country (bigger than France at least) after all.

I think it's a big mistake to make assumptions about Thailand based on what some Isaan bargirls do or say, but I know that my own generalizations don't apply to everyone either.

However, if you're curious about Thai culture, it's probably a good idea to get off Sukhumvit Road, because it's not really representative of the country as a whole.

Just the other day, I was in a fairly nice restaurant with my girlfriend, and while doing a bit of people-watching I noticed that we were practically the only couple in there. Almost everyone else was seated at tables of six or more. Even when they are already a couple, many Thai people really don't "date" in the Western sense. It's all school "gangs" and co-worker outings.

You don't see that much in restaurants downtown but in pretty much every other part of the city, that's what you'll see. So I can't imagine some random farang guy being able to "pick up a girl" in that kind of scene. Unless you know the group somehow (work or friends), I can't really see "a way in".

Which is why I didn't think much of it the first few times that Real invited her friends along to eat with us. That's perfectly normal here (although after the first time, they really should have been paying for their own food).

My mistake was assuming that since Real wasn't a P4P girl, that she'd act like a "normal" girl. However, even though she's VERY hot, she's clearly in the "fleece-all-tourists (and all farang are tourists)"-mode.

Too bad really. Hot girl, but what tore it for me was when we were sitting in Chinatown with two of her friends and her friends were literally SHOVELLING plates of prawn and crab into their mouths, Real turns to me and says, "That jewelry shop over there is open, you should go buy me something."

Really? I should?

Damn, I knew I shouldn't have tattooed "SUCKER" on my forehead. Girls just don't take me seriously anymore

[Looker]

(doug @ Mar. 31 2008,22:36) Even when they are already a couple, many Thai people really don't "date" in the Western sense.  It's all school "gangs" and co-worker outings.

That's very true, and in some way it applies to almost allover Asia although in Thailand seems greater than in other countries around the region.
There is always this sense of 'protection' for the two unforntunates fellows dating eachother..like if they leave them alone for a minute the guy is going to jump on her and rape her in the middle of the restaurant, or the other way around (most unlikely)
WTF! Quite silly, annoying and totally depriving the two of a minimum of privacy.

I also have had quite a few chances to have dinner and after-dinner (the Ratchada experience) with my clients having to digest this school party thing Booooring......

[doug]

(Looker @ Apr. 01 2008,10:50) Quite silly, annoying and totally depriving the two of a minimum of privacy.

I also have had quite a few chances to have dinner and after-dinner (the Ratchada experience) with my clients having to digest this school party thing   Booooring......

Yeah, well privacy isn't something Asians are very big on, so most of the time, I think couples enjoy having their friends around so they can have someone to TALK to rather than (God forbid) talking to each other.

It never ceases to amazing me. I've been out with groups of Thais before and there's always some girl who spends the entire night talking with her REAL friend (from high school) because she's out with her boyfriend's gang that night and doesn't even bother to get to know any of them. Meanwhile her boyfriend watches football or gets pissed with his buddies, completely ignoring his girlfriend and not the least bit annoyed (and probably relieved) that she's talking to someone else who's not even there.

That's real "dating" in Thailand.

Have you ever been up to the big MEGA-restaurants on Kaset Road? The ones for all the Thai tourists visiting Bangkok and birthday/work party gatherings?

Walk into one of those places by yourself. They have absolutely no idea what to do with you. "Khun deow?" "Jing aw?" (Then 15 staff people gather to observe this oddity while discussing where they can possibly PUT you..).

Dating in Thailand is a group thing and that's perfectly normal (for them). So when Real invited her friends to join us for dinner that actually gave me confidence (in a strange way, that she was a "normal" girl.

However, it is NOT normal to make one person pay for the entire group. A boss might treat his employees to a night out, and that's OK. Or a boyfriend might keep his girlfriend busy (so he can watch football undisturbed) by letting her bring along a friend/cousin to chat with her and chaperone the couple (there is no concept of "third wheel" in Thailand).

But when it's a group, they really should be picking someplace they can all afford, and then everyone chips in a little bit. Dragging some farang to Chinatown and then making him pay for 4000 baht worth of food (including some food ordered at the end of the meal and then immediately dumped into doggie bags), that's NOT normal. That's just fleecing some dumb doe-eyed tourist.

It might have been worth it too. Real's fucking hot, after all. But if it's just sex, I can get that any time, I don't NEED to pay for it. And my idea of a "relationship" does not involve me opening my wallet and saying, "Yes, dear, take as much as you want." Even if I was a billionaire, I wouldn't tolerate that. I guess I just don't have the "sugar daddy" mindset.

Even when I was contemplating my "fuck flat" with Lolita it was strictly on my terms, not hers. And I certainly didn't view that as a "relationship". Just a mutually convenient arrangement. But since I was actually in "relationship-mode" when I was pursuing Real, I was very disappointed to discover that she just wanted yet another sugar daddy (with me getting NOTHING out of the arrangement).

Sorry, but the idea of pouring money down a hole just so I can sit next to a pretty girl, just doesn't appeal.

[doug]

(doug @ Apr. 01 2008,11:38) Sorry, but the idea of pouring money down a hole just so I can sit next to a pretty girl, just doesn't appeal.

Come to think of it, that's the entire premise of strip clubs and "gentlemen's clubs", so I guess I'm in the minority on that opinion, since there's plenty of guys who buy into that "illusion".

I used to do it myself too (when I was young and stupid), but what's the point of blowing a paycheck to "impress" some stripper by buying a bottle of over-priced "sparkling water" (champaigne? Hah!)? She certainly isn't going to GO HOME with me, so why bother? All I'm doing is making the bar-owner rich because I'm too horny to know any better.

Guess I just out-grew that, and now if I buy a girl a lady-drink, it's to keep the waitstaff from harrassing us while we talk "terms", and I expect her to nurse it until I'm finished with my drink, and then we're going to go some place to FUCK. I certainly don't buy her lady drinks to impress her. Fuck that!

[Looker]

(doug @ Apr. 01 2008,11:38) Meanwhile her boyfriend watches football or gets pissed with his buddies, completely ignoring his girlfriend and not the least bit annoyed (and probably relieved) that she's talking to someone else who's not even there.

That's real "dating" in Thailand.

Have you ever been up to the big MEGA-restaurants on Kaset Road?  The ones for all the Thai tourists visiting Bangkok and birthday/work party gatherings?

Yes..have seen also that! Something that if you would do it in the western world your g/f will be kicking your balls for the rest of your days. As ball-breakers some western ladies already are, in such case wouldn't be on the wrong side..

Real dating from what I have seen in Thailand can be really weird, to say the very least! Perhaps if one of us farang is involved they (the Thais) could have a gram or two more of discretion..just perhaps.

And no, thanks God I've never been to that restaurant, although I heard about
But my client 'gang' wanted to bring me to those buffet style Thai restaurant but luckily didn't happen. THAT would have been another martyrdom.

[azza33]

Is anyone else nearly as disturbed by Butchs avatar as me??

[doug]

(azza33 @ Apr. 06 2008,11:41)  

Is anyone else nearly as disturbed by Butchs avatar as me??

Oh that's just his High School graduation photo.

You should see what he looks like NOW.

[thehawk]

(doug @ Mar. 26 2008,20:01)

(trobriand @ Mar. 26 2008,13:25) In my opinion "Thai style dating" protcols don't really apply to ladyboys, none of whom I have met being chaste virgins. I would run a mile of one of them suggested that she bring along her mates. A sure sign they are blood suckers.

It would be a big mistake to make inferences about Thai culture based on the bar scene.

First off, it's not a coincidence that many of the girls working in the p4p scene are from the "non-Thai" ethnic areas of Thailand (like Isaan or the South).

So just because some poorly educated hill-tribe farmers up north think it's OK to send their daughters down to the Big Mango to "support" their family, that doesn't mean that Central Thais or Lanna Thais are going to make the same rationalizations for their daughters (or sons if they happen to be ladyboys).

Thais in general tend to be very conservative when it comes to dating, especially with their daughters (and that includes ladyboys).  Normally kids go out as groups, and only start solo-dating during or after university (and usually someone from their gang of friends).  The rare times that a girl dates someone outside of her "gang", a chaperone is almost always required to "guard her honor", in the most cheesy 1950's-morality kind of way.

Farang generally don't get a chance to experience this for two reasons:  1 ) most of the "good girls" are already taken.  We didn't go to high school or even elementary school here, so we have zero chance of dating one of those girls because we were never part of her gang growing up, 2 ) we tend to get distracted by all the other girls throwing themselves at us.  Some girls want a visa, some girls want a wallet, some girls want a "faithful man", some girls are hot for white skin, and some girls actually just like us for who we are as people (and not WHAT we are as a stereotype).  Regardless, most of these girls are "on the fringe".  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they are "bad girls".  Just not "the norm".  

Frankly, any girl over 23 years old who hasn't been dating the same guy for 9 or 10 years is NOT normal in Thailand.  Again, don't misunderstand.  By "not normal" I don't mean "bad", I'm talking numbers here not value judgments, OK?

If you think this doesn't apply to ladyboys, you're wrong.  I know many "normal" ladyboys who are subject to the same strict rules as girls.  They have curfews, live with their parents, aren't allowed to solo-date, and have had the same boyfriend for many years.

Do you honestly think you're going to run into a ladyboy like that on Sukhumvit??   Fawn bai ter!!  Girls like that go straight from their university/job back home to their parents' house where they spend 2 to 3 hours a night studying/working.  When they do go out, they go out with their friends to nice, trendy restaurants on hidden back-sois out in the suburbs that you'd never find in a million years.

My only mistake was assuming that since the Calypso girl was not "in the p4p scene" that she might be a "normal Thai girl", like the ones I described above.  So I tolerated the five-pounds-of-seafood-eating "chaperones" because I've dated "normal" Thai girls before and there was always a cousin, aunt, or a few co-workers tagging along to "guard her honor".

Group dating is the norm in Thailand, and people really only solo-date after they are a well-established couple on a track towards marriage.  Of course, I'm speaking in generalities, so I'm sure you can think of plenty of exceptions to this "rule", but if you ask anyone who's spent a good amount of time OFF Sukhumvit, you'll find that they'll back me up on this.

So just because none of the girls you've met were "chaste virgins", doesn't mean you've met girls who are actually "normal" by Thai standards.  Trust me, if you didn't grow up in this country and go to high school or university here, then you have very little chance of meeting a "normal girl" (unless you happen to meet her while she's studying overseas).

But I guarantee that if you ever did get lucky and meet a "proper Thai ladyboy" (like a Nong Poy-style girl), you'd be taking a whole gang of chaperones out with you every time you met her.  And you can just forget about "getting any", because you wouldn't even be allowed to drop her off at her parents' house (the neighbors would gossip if she was since outside the house IN THE DARK with a MAN).

Try to imagine a school dance in 8th grade in the 1950's.  That's datting in Thailand.

One of the most accurate posts I have ever seen on any forum about Thailand. It's a pity many other farangs don't get it.