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These other posts are quite relevant, in case you missed them.
The fact of the matter is.......Nobody really knows what the exact figures are for HIV positive people of either sex in Thailand. All reports and statistics that one reads are conflicting. I can only speak personally for Chiangmai and Chiangrai which are reputed to be the AIDS capitols of Thailand. In Chiangrai the incidence HIV positive sex workers is extremely high, currently running around fifty percent, but bear in mind that the majority of these are Myanmar nationals working illegally in Thailand. These cases are limited to the local brothels, where young Burmese girls as young as fourteen are working. The gay scene in Mae Sai and Chaingrai is pretty well non existant, but there are ladyboys working in both cities.
Chiangmai is a different ball game, with a massive gay community from the four universities, Chaingmai, Phayap, Phayo, and Maejo. They are also home to thousands of ladyboys. The gay bar scene rivals that of Bangkok, and the ammount of gay clubs and saunas is incredible.
Most of the working ladyboys have a Thai boyfriend, although they will never admit it to you. "Bam" being a prime example. Her boy friend sleeps with both gays and ladies, and this is a continuing basis for ongoing arguements between them. She was sporting a bruise on the cheek last week as a result of a quick smack from the boyfriend. I asked her why she still stayed with him. "He good to me" was the reply.....I give up sometimes.
Most weeks I hear of a gay death from an HIV related complication, and quite a few I have known personally.
A good gauge is to visit the public HIV ward at the Suan Dork hospital, and do a head count. Absolutely frightening, or coversely visit the Vieng Ping orphanage at Mae Rim, which has a 35/40% HIV count.
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hanbali
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Good post Cynic. Because STDs are only contagious when you get 'up close and personal' their transmission is very ideosyncratic, and highly clustered. And partners are, by default, duplicitous and misleading. Changmai people it appears involve themselves in the same high risk behavior as the high risk African communities: multiple simultaneous boyfriend-girlfriend networks with a lot of sneaking around and duplicity, with likelihood of exposure to blood through unprotected anal sex and through needles. All the ingredients for an epidemic (and I suspect all are necessary to truly fuel an AIDS epidemic).
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Chiangmai, being Thailand's second largest city behind Bangkok with 2,650,000 inhabitants, provides a greater proportion of ladyboys to the general "working pool" of Bangkok, Phuket, and Pattaya. Just ask any of the ones you meet, and I guarantee a lot will say they come from Chiangmai. They all co-habit, and are extremely promiscuous. (see Hanbali's post) He's right on the button.
Here's a wake up call for Jon too......
"I will definately be careful when i go back.....and i rarely take freelancers there in any case. the only girls i have screwed there all work at the Simon and I was always careful"
Just about ALL the Simon ladyboys have Thai boyfriends (can't survive without them, financially) and freelance on the side. So when you say that you have only screwed Simon girls, you are in effect screwing freelancers!! As an aside, a good proportion of the better ones from Simon are now working in Kings III, and other bars in Bangkok! Now if that isn't serious working, I don't know what is. Check 'em out.....Yo, O, Note, Nut, Nuey, Bom and those are just the ones that spring to mind, there are others.
Ponlien said she was going to Bangkok, but was still in Chiangmai the other day.
The ones to steer well clear of in Chiangmai are mainly "Alex" who till three months ago was working in Jenny Star bar in Walking street Pattaya. She has full blown AIDS, and is still working. She came home to Chiangmai to be near her family. There are others that are HIV+ and these include "Mot" a local freelancing ladyboy. Several new freelancers out of a nightime that eminate from the gay area of the night bazaar. This is a very dangerous bar area that centers around the "Jackpot bar", and most of the "ladyboys" are gays in wigs, some being quite attractive, like "Ken" and "Day". Ken lives with a gay Thai, who mainly does his business with tourists, and Day lives with another freelancing ladyboy called Apple. Last one I can think of, is Nong, a new freelancer. She is very thin, but very attractive. She never freelanced before, but lost her job, and took to the street.
I can't be more explicit than that....The Cynic
The fact of the matter is.......Nobody really knows what the exact figures are for HIV positive people of either sex in Thailand. All reports and statistics that one reads are conflicting. I can only speak personally for Chiangmai and Chiangrai which are reputed to be the AIDS capitols of Thailand. In Chiangrai the incidence HIV positive sex workers is extremely high, currently running around fifty percent, but bear in mind that the majority of these are Myanmar nationals working illegally in Thailand. These cases are limited to the local brothels, where young Burmese girls as young as fourteen are working. The gay scene in Mae Sai and Chaingrai is pretty well non existant, but there are ladyboys working in both cities.
Chiangmai is a different ball game, with a massive gay community from the four universities, Chaingmai, Phayap, Phayo, and Maejo. They are also home to thousands of ladyboys. The gay bar scene rivals that of Bangkok, and the ammount of gay clubs and saunas is incredible.
Most of the working ladyboys have a Thai boyfriend, although they will never admit it to you. "Bam" being a prime example. Her boy friend sleeps with both gays and ladies, and this is a continuing basis for ongoing arguements between them. She was sporting a bruise on the cheek last week as a result of a quick smack from the boyfriend. I asked her why she still stayed with him. "He good to me" was the reply.....I give up sometimes.
Most weeks I hear of a gay death from an HIV related complication, and quite a few I have known personally.
A good gauge is to visit the public HIV ward at the Suan Dork hospital, and do a head count. Absolutely frightening, or coversely visit the Vieng Ping orphanage at Mae Rim, which has a 35/40% HIV count.
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hanbali
Group: Members
Posts: 36
Joined: July 2003 Posted: Mar. 16 2004,03:28
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Good post Cynic. Because STDs are only contagious when you get 'up close and personal' their transmission is very ideosyncratic, and highly clustered. And partners are, by default, duplicitous and misleading. Changmai people it appears involve themselves in the same high risk behavior as the high risk African communities: multiple simultaneous boyfriend-girlfriend networks with a lot of sneaking around and duplicity, with likelihood of exposure to blood through unprotected anal sex and through needles. All the ingredients for an epidemic (and I suspect all are necessary to truly fuel an AIDS epidemic).
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Chiangmai, being Thailand's second largest city behind Bangkok with 2,650,000 inhabitants, provides a greater proportion of ladyboys to the general "working pool" of Bangkok, Phuket, and Pattaya. Just ask any of the ones you meet, and I guarantee a lot will say they come from Chiangmai. They all co-habit, and are extremely promiscuous. (see Hanbali's post) He's right on the button.
Here's a wake up call for Jon too......
"I will definately be careful when i go back.....and i rarely take freelancers there in any case. the only girls i have screwed there all work at the Simon and I was always careful"
Just about ALL the Simon ladyboys have Thai boyfriends (can't survive without them, financially) and freelance on the side. So when you say that you have only screwed Simon girls, you are in effect screwing freelancers!! As an aside, a good proportion of the better ones from Simon are now working in Kings III, and other bars in Bangkok! Now if that isn't serious working, I don't know what is. Check 'em out.....Yo, O, Note, Nut, Nuey, Bom and those are just the ones that spring to mind, there are others.
Ponlien said she was going to Bangkok, but was still in Chiangmai the other day.
The ones to steer well clear of in Chiangmai are mainly "Alex" who till three months ago was working in Jenny Star bar in Walking street Pattaya. She has full blown AIDS, and is still working. She came home to Chiangmai to be near her family. There are others that are HIV+ and these include "Mot" a local freelancing ladyboy. Several new freelancers out of a nightime that eminate from the gay area of the night bazaar. This is a very dangerous bar area that centers around the "Jackpot bar", and most of the "ladyboys" are gays in wigs, some being quite attractive, like "Ken" and "Day". Ken lives with a gay Thai, who mainly does his business with tourists, and Day lives with another freelancing ladyboy called Apple. Last one I can think of, is Nong, a new freelancer. She is very thin, but very attractive. She never freelanced before, but lost her job, and took to the street.
I can't be more explicit than that....The Cynic
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