Why so jaded?

[Guest]

Gentlemen:
I was very happy to read the comments on this forum page. I have for the past two years read countless messages and replies and thought it rather silly that a bunch of men would fall head over heels for someone who isn't in your house,cooking your meals or devoting their lives to you and more than likely has a BIGGER dick than you have. Its okay to fuck around with another guy, it happens in prisons, it happens during puberty when you have a circle jerk or blow your teen friends and vis versa..its because the real thing wasn't available to you for some reason. You can go to Thailand and see a ladyboy,call her cool, get aroused,then carry on with her and after, pay her and forget it. Thats it.
You can have a different one every night, and just enjoy it..but why get involved? I dont get laid 'cause I dont pay. I go the korean bars here and the girls come over, but I just talk to them, dont buy them drinks, and they disappear. Quite simple.
well, its to be expected. I used to wonder about Jon and where he was at..now I know. The oriental and the occidental will never fully see eye to eye without a sum of money to connect them. "Without money,never the twain shall meet".
Look at the huge number of pilipinas coming into the states, because some farang bought them there. The number of these girls sticking with the guy that brought them in is pretty low. They used his ass. Why does some stinking,ugly,pathetic looking mother fucker think he has the tools to make a GG,LB, or whatever, love him for himself? Wake up and smell the coffee. There was a site that the members here were pissed about...The LBs were exploited..abused..poor things...that guy, Nigel, has more fucking smarts, more fucking web sites under different names, and he fucks sucks and abuses them all...and he is making fucking money at that! The members are astronomical because they go for that shit! He hangs out the Living Room in Bangkok and that guy swears he's in seventh heaven. He figures..take my money, but your ass had better be prepared..literally!! There were pictures of blood coming out of a LBs asshole after he reamed her...this is fucking sick..but can you blame him after learning your lessons??
Who's wrong? Jon has a nice clean site, not perverted, and shows LBs in a different, more human light. He gives these girls a chance to be stars (and some of them are). Even the videos with Yo and the Thai boy..kind of nice..gentle..no blood..no shreiks of pain...she smiles when he comes...its really nice..BUT PROBABLY TOO NICE....there are more sadists on these websites than not. These sadists frequent those other sites, with the mayhem, and so forth. Who is right? Jon or the other guy? Which do you prefer.its all up to the individual...
I rest...

[Guest]

i think BOTH of us are right, ragamuffin, to be honest. because that site deals with a specific type of person who likes to see the girls abused and treated like shit, and this site is of course milder and lets the girls be treated more like human beings. I think there is a large enough internet audience that all types can be satisfied when viewing either this site or some of the others out there, so for us to change our format would be crazy; for the most part what we are doing seems to be appreciated by the majority of guys and so we will leave the format the same; naughty sometimes and nice at others, but never TOO dirty or nasty, especially where the models are concerned; we always want to portray them in a good light as much as possible. by the way.....when we do a hardcore shoot, I always tell the male model 'take it easy on her and don't hurt the girl please, and when you finish please do it on her boobs and her not her face'. again, I feel like this shows more respect for the model, while at the same time we get a pretty decent hardcore shoot in the can.

I honestly have no idea how Nigel and that even uglier hairy guy with the dead thing on his head have not been caught and thrown in jail yet over here. he may be enjoying his life immensely NOW, but his pathetic mug is plastered all over the internet now doing nasty things to Thai people; it's just a matter of time before the authorities end up catching his ass and throwing him in Bang Kwang, where he will hopefully be treated by the other inmates the same way he has been treating these girls these last few years.

thanks for the honest post ragamuffin; very much appreciated,

Jon

[stogie bear]

Good post ragamuffin. Welcome aboard.

[Mai-Kee]

This site you're talking about Raggamuffin, is just a piece of shit and I wish these dickheads the same treatment at Bang Kwang as they did with the girls - maybe they'll enjoy it?!
I don't think it makes any sense if we're starting generalizing now that all LB's are trash and should be treated like that. Where does that lead to? Stay alert, use the thing between your ears and differentiate!

MK

[Stewart]

>>>I don't think it makes any sense if we're starting generalizing now that all LB's are trash and should be treated like that. Where does that lead to? Stay alert, use the thing between your ears and differentiate!>>

S - Need to add something that I have been thinking over the last few days.

With all the new honesty around this forum recently, if it keeps going, then this forum will be just like that other site. I have read dozens of "these girls are nasty, horrible, thieving, whores" posts over the last 5 days. So what is the difference with this attitude to Nigel's attitude?

The pictures on this site might be more pleasant, but our attitudes might end up being similar if we keep going.

[Guest]

no, Stewart, there is a BIG difference........ALL the girls on that site are treated as disgusting whores who are only worthy of being treated like tramps and having nasty words scrawled on their bodies and fake cum put on their faces. on this site the last few days only a few girls have been mentioned in a bad light; Bam, Yoh, some girls that I met on my travels and here in BKK, etc...... as you well know, I like and respect about 90% of these models and consider many of them to be good friends. yes, i have been very vocal about the other 10% these last few days because I have seen some pretty strange shit lately, but for the most part I like and respect most ladyboys that i meet and as i said in an earlier post, our galleries reflect that, even the hardcore galleries where we 'take it easy' on the girls.

those assholes have no respect for anyone, not even themselves. to compare this site to that one is like comparing night to day; most of the guys here respect and admire MOST of the girls that we meet, including myself. If we are exposing the 10% or so that are bad apples, i think that is a good thing for a change.

again, i used to bite my tongue up here on so many issues and hold back and not tell you guys some of the things i had seen and heard but not anymore. frankly i will be working harder for you guys now, and if there are some girls that are 'thieves, liars and whores', or worse, they SHOULD be exposed, shouldn't they?

90% are OK....those are the ones I will never pick on.

Jon

[Stewart]

>>>again, i used to bite my tongue up here on so many issues and hold  back and not tell you guys  some of the things  i had  seen and heard but not anymore.  frankly  i will be working harder for you guys now, and if  there are some  girls that are 'thieves, liars and whores', or worse, they  SHOULD be exposed, shouldn't they?>>>

S - Fair respones, and "yes" they should be exposed.

It just could go a little too far in the opposite direction....so heed Mai Kee's words above and "use the thing between your ears and differentiate!"

[stogie bear]

All forums go through ups and downs. This is the spleen venting time. It's harmless (and maybe theraputic) and as new posts come along the negative ones will slip down the list and be forgotten.

The people who post here are the same as they were last week! If someone is having a frustrating time of it then we are all here to pitch in and help out.

That won't change.

[Guest]

i just like it when the truth is spoken and we don;t dress it up with bullshit!
it's good to see all the views on the various subjects and have a blast about them. Credit where credit is due, if a girl gives you a great time and is hassle free tell the forum, if a girl is a bitch and fucks you around warn the guys so they know.
thats all there is to it, telling the truth is always the best policy in the end, and you will feel better for telling it

[Blue Ballz]

Jon dear Jon,
You might be bitching now but I CAN GUARANTEE you that afetr about a week back in The US of A we will be blabbing on the phone and you will mention how much you miss the delights of Thailand! You said Thailand is a fantasy-very clsoe my friend but I would like to call it an ILLUSION. The great type of bar girsl BOTH puying and LBs give you the GF (girlfriend) type experience. It may be coz they want you to send them money or they are good at thier job or EGADS maybe they like spending time with you-well at least they prefer being in your bed than in a cell block type apartment with anohter 10 LBs. remember The Wizard of Oz when they actually get a looksee BEHIND the curtain? Well, 90% of us schmucks just get to LOS in small doses like a couple of weeks at a time but you my good man get to live there lots! Well, you have snuck a long peek behind that curtain and know the score. I think you take things too seriously and should take things for what they are. But its easy for me to say as I am not in your shoes-or flips flops!! We talked about having serious relationships with LBs and you aint gonna find them looking where you are. Now the rest of us who only get there a few weeks a year shouldnt even try but you cannot tell that to some of the mentally/emotionall challenged guys we have on here. But hey you cannot tell them anythign anyways, can you? I thought the week in Phuket did you good but I might have to send you to shoot some ugly LBS in downtown St. louis LOL!!!

[Guest]

Most of these ladyboys are in the game for cash. To survive. I have had better luck with ladyboys from the Philippines. None have demanded cash from me. None of them are prostitutes. You have to remember these bar girls have a different way of thinking. I would venture to say most are there for the money nothing more. The really nice sincere ladyboys are rare.

[liisawinkler]

the   problem is, i think,  that almost ALL the  girls i know are prostitutes!  so maybe that is why I am so jaded, and yes, you are right; just as  they are  willing to  dump us  for a guy with more  cash,  we would be happy to  find  one  who would take less and probably  hang  with her;  that was a good point.

   I was just thinking about this......

   in the states and  in the west in general,  you would  NEVER  pay a  girl to  come  over to your   house, watch a movie, have  some snacks,  and  crash  early without fucking, would you?  of  course  not....but here, if you are  'dating'  a  bar girl or  anyone  who has ever  been paid for sex,  they would   fully expect that!  to me that is crazy;  aren't there any girls that are willing to just be a girlfriend and hang around with us because we are, you know, nice guys?  I only know literally ONE, named Kui, and she is  with Stogie Bear.  the rest of these girls  expect  cash for your time, and even if you just hang out  they will want dough  because if they worked and stayed in the bar that night  they could have made   2000baht or more.

     I think the  solution, if that is a possible, one and the odd's are slim, is to find a nice  college girl  who is  not yet hardened  by the scene.  MAYBE  you could get lucky and keep her for your  GF,  before  she gets into the bar scene and  gets  jaded herself.  perhaps that's  where we  should be looking;  we  are never going to meet our  future  lifelong mates in Obsessions or Casa, that's for sure.

   Donnnny.....i am happy that you like that i finally spoke  my mind on this  subject and I think Stogie Bear will be as well because he says i usually come across as  too much of a wimp up here.   These thoughts  have been on my mind for about a year now [actually more; i made a post very similar to these on the old  yellow  forum in November, 2002,  when I first came over for last winter]  but it was the trip to Phuket for 2  weeks  that finally  put me over the edge.  the things i heard and saw there just blew  my mind.

   Too bad; i love this place, and the people are nice [most are nice].   But i  still really believe that finding a  girl to spend your time with requires that you spend a LOT of  money on her, and i am not falling into that trap; i would rather  just butterfly.

 Jon

Jon

it's because you are looking for love in such a wrong place!! Thailand is a sex capital and sex does not necessarily equate with love....

but all your experiences have not been all wrong...these events in your life have only made you stronger and learn lessons which no book or teacher can. So cheer up and look forward towards exploring a world beyond the hole that you mentioned as Thailand...

[Guest]

If you wish to give money, WITH YOUR EYES WIDE OPEN (and that is the ONLY way to give money), then give it, and EXPECT NOTHING IN RETURN.
I repeat, NOTHING.
If you do not wish to give money, do NOT give it.
Only one rule:
NEVER LET ANYONE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU.
Or you will be eating catfood in your old age while your children (who COULD marry some slimebag you hate) arrange for your committal to a nursing home, mental ward, or prison.
Take your pick........
IT'S YOUR FUCKING MONEY.
ENJOY IT INTELLIGENTLY.
Mr. Lonely

[Guest]

Reality is a crutch. Money is for spending.
But NEVER LET ANYONE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU.
Mr. Lonely

[Guest]

i have read all the posts on this topic and agree with everyone. i have made the mistake and tried to have a real relationship with 2 ladyboys from asia. neither of them was from thialand. i have realized that their culture is very differnet when it comes to money and emotions. yes i was a fool and spent WAY TOO MUCH money on them since i thought they actually cared. neither of them were bargirls or hookers but when it came to money they might as will been. the question we should be asking ourselves is why do we want a LB gf? i made the mistake and thought that a LB would be very happy to have a real relationship but as noted in several posts, that is just a fantasy. i have talked and meet many lbs from many countries and what i have understood is that they feel the man they are with will leave them becuase they are a LB. this was a constant discussion that i had with both of my LB gfs. its a sad way to go thru life believing that no one can really love them due to who they are but i have seen that happen. now think of the girls working in the bars and hooking. they are treated as items everyday so when a person shows them any real feelings, it is even harder for them to except. a LB lives in a world where they are not really accepted and most are physically and emotionally abused. so they think that money will give them some freedom, and if that means using people than they will. i have seen some very kind LBs turn into real bitches after they realize how to sucker a man from their money. i know there are a lot of very nice, WORKING, LBs out there that only looking for love but they are the ones that you will not find on the internet. again as noted in here, money has a very big differnce meaning in asia as it does in the usa or europe. just remember if you send them money that it doesn't mean they really care about you or that you are the only one.