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(D33 @ Sep. 28 2007,11:09)

(stogie bear @ Sep. 27 2007,10:22) Well, it's a well thought out and sensical arguement, D33... It probably deserves a better response than that, mate.  

No it doesn't.

His post perfectly sums up the mindset of someone who steals movies & music.

The thought that you can't be against piracy and then break the law somewhere is ridiculous. There is the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. It is absurd as saying that if you jaywalk, then you must support murder, because law is law. But if that is what you think, then if you engage in hiring a prostitute in Thailand, where prostitution is illegal, then you can't be against pedophiles raping 6 year old children in Cambodia. Based on this flawed theory of course.

So no, someone with this argument doesn't deserve a real reply.

I am in the software industry so I would also prefer people did not pirate my software. I think people who pirate will always pirate no matter what the cost of the original.

Yes maybe some would buy the software if the original was more fairly priced but this in itself is no guarantee.

With software things are becoming more services based anyway so a lot of companies are giving the actual software away for next to nothing in the hope you will need professional services from them.

D33 I think the link between using illegal means to create your product and then it being stolen is a lot easier bow to draw than someone being against jaywalking and then supporting murder.

Don't get me wrong I am not getting on any moral high ground here just think your analogy for comparison was in no way similar.

[jonstroud]

(stogie bear @ Sep. 27 2007,10:22) Well, it\'s a well thought out and sensical arguement, D33... It probably deserves a better response than that, mate.

So you\'ve never made a typo when writing online, eh?

Two pages of self-centred whining about a perceived loss of income is all this has been about. One can not break a law in one place and then assume the moral high ground when someone else breaks a law that carries a less severe penalty.

Both laws have been broken in the same country, and arguing about the \"spirit of the law\" won\'t cut much ice with a judge. Especially as the spirit of the law is just as violated as the letter of the law when you come to Thailand to film porno movies.

Can one be opposed to some criminal offences and not others? Of course you can. But going back to the moral high ground argument, you won\'t stay there very long if you\'ve knowingly committed far more serious offences than the people you are complaining about. It doesn\'t take an intellectual to figure that one out. Just some common sense.

[D33]

(ozzie @ Sep. 28 2007,09:48)

(D33 @ Sep. 28 2007,11:09)

(stogie bear @ Sep. 27 2007,10:22) Well, it's a well thought out and sensical arguement, D33... It probably deserves a better response than that, mate.

No it doesn't.

His post perfectly sums up the mindset of someone who steals movies & music.

The thought that you can't be against piracy and then break the law somewhere is ridiculous. There is the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. It is absurd as saying that if you jaywalk, then you must support murder, because law is law. But if that is what you think, then if you engage in hiring a prostitute in Thailand, where prostitution is illegal, then you can't be against pedophiles raping 6 year old children in Cambodia. Based on this flawed theory of course.

So no, someone with this argument doesn't deserve a real reply.

I am in the software industry so I would also prefer people did not pirate my software. I think people who pirate will always pirate no matter what the cost of the original.

Yes maybe some would buy the software if the original was more fairly priced but this in itself is no guarantee.

With software things are becoming more services based anyway so a lot of companies are giving the actual software away for next to nothing in the hope you will need professional services from them.

D33 I think the link between using illegal means to create your product and then it being stolen is a lot easier bow to draw than someone being against jaywalking and then supporting murder.

Don't get me wrong I am not getting on any moral high ground here just think your analogy for comparison was in no way similar.

Maybe 5% of my product at best is shot in a place where it is illegal. The rest is shot legally and it's pirated WAY more than what is made in Thailand. So saying how I make it vs someone stealing it is not a valid argument at all.

It's all just typical nonsense coming from someone who steals trying to justify their actions or discredit the artist or producer. You think this is the first time I have heard these things? lol All the people who steal movies and music use the same argument.

[D33]

(jonstroud @ Sep. 28 2007,09:50)

(stogie bear @ Sep. 27 2007,10:22) Well, it\'s a well thought out and sensical arguement, D33... It probably deserves a better response than that, mate.

So you\'ve never made a typo when writing online, eh?

Two pages of self-centred whining about a perceived loss of income is all this has been about. One can not break a law in one place and then assume the moral high ground when someone else breaks a law that carries a less severe penalty.

Both laws have been broken in the same country, and arguing about the \"spirit of the law\" won\'t cut much ice with a judge. Especially as the spirit of the law is just as violated as the letter of the law when you come to Thailand to film porno movies.

Can one be opposed to some criminal offences and not others? Of course you can. But going back to the moral high ground argument, you won\'t stay there very long if you\'ve knowingly committed far more serious offences than the people you are complaining about. It doesn\'t take an intellectual to figure that one out. Just some common sense.

Yet you keep coming back for more. I thought you were leaving this thread? What happened to you not having any desire to correspond with me again? So disappointing.

You keep beating the same dead horse. I hardly shoot in Thailand, and those movies get pirated the least. But you are not interested in hearing that. So keep on with your posts, it is clear you are grasping at straws at this point.

[stogie bear]

It is absurd as saying that if you jaywalk, then you must support murder, because law is law...

No... the reason that your analogy doesn't work is that even though not all your content is shot illegally in Thailand some of it is and it's considered a very serious breach of the law as you well know if you are following current events here about the Japanese team who are set to go down for a long long time.

As for downloading porn illegaly - that too is just a small percentage of your business but more importantly it's also a much less serious crime than creating porn in Thailand. The fact that you only break the law a little bit doesn't really hold much sway... A murderer hasn't got much of a defence if he says "Well, it was just the one bloke I murdered, your honour!"

To be more precise, it's OK for you to break laws and be handsomely rewarded for the endeavour, but not OK for others to break laws that you perceive might threaten your income. Even income derived from your law breaking...

Er, he's got a point here!

[D33]

(stogie bear @ Sep. 28 2007,22:35)

It is absurd as saying that if you jaywalk, then you must support murder, because law is law...

No... the reason that your analogy doesn't work is that even though not all your content is shot illegally in Thailand some of it is and it's considered a very serious breach of the law as you well know if you are following current events here about the Japanese team who are set to go down for a long long time.

As for downloading porn illegaly - that too is just a small percentage of your business but more importantly it's also a much less serious crime than creating porn in Thailand. The fact that you only break the law a little bit doesn't really hold much sway... A murderer hasn't got much of a defence if he says "Well, it was just the one bloke I murdered, your honour!"

To be more precise, it's OK for you to break laws and be handsomely rewarded for the endeavour, but not OK for others to break laws that you perceive might threaten your income. Even income derived from your law breaking...

Er, he's got a point here!

And what about the 1000+ other guys who NEVER shoot in Thailand and their content is stolen even more than mine?

What is the argument then? Let me guess, they are exploiting women? Oh... oh... I know, how about that they make so much money that they deserved to get ripped off.

You guys are hilarious.

[D33]

(stogie bear @ Sep. 28 2007,22:35) As for downloading porn illegaly - that too is just a small percentage of your business but more importantly it's also a much less serious crime than creating porn in Thailand.

The worst that happens to you in Thailand is you get black listed and deported. NOBODY goes to jail for shooting. You pay a fine, maybe they boot you, maybe they don't.

The two Americans arrested were not blacklisted or deported. They paid a fine and continued shooting!!!! One was even caught A SECOND TIME and he STILL didn't get the boot. Paid another fine and he kept on truckin'. Big fucking deal. They make it out in the papers to be WAY worse than it really is.

[stogie bear]

And what about the 1000+ other guys who NEVER shoot in Thailand and their content is stolen even more than mine? What is the argument then?

It's a different one. NOT the one you have chosen to persue.

The case you are referring to isn't the one I meant. I was specifically alluding to the Japanese company who had been caught with all their equipment, filming on the beach with Jap girls and Thai guys...

Of course there are cases reported and not reported, that can be bought out of. Nevertheless it's a risky business to shoot porn in Thailand and even you would have to agree that being caught making it would be a more harrowing and consequential crime than downloading it!

For all the pornographers who shoot within the confines of the law, well, then they probably have a more worthy gripe. But the plain fact is that most people who download porn on the internet for free would not pay for it anyway.

You can't say that for every person who aquires a copy of a CD/.avi file of yours that you are losing it's retail value.

I've downloaded gigabytes of free porn and almost all of it has been subsequently deleted because it's crap. I'd be a bitter customer if I had paid for it all! It's simply not worth the legal asking price.

So you have to pay costs like models, production, distribution... so what... who cares... if it's still not good enough for the general public to pay a whopping $20 for then it's your problem top solve.

I downloaded the movie 'Transformers' yesterday and the quality was excellent, but the movie was so fucking awful I couldn't watch more than 20 minutes without hoping my life would end. I deleted it because it was total shite, EVEN FOR FREE!!! Why would I want to pay actual money for that?

But you are right... downloading from the WWW IS stealing... but it's about as serious as a child stealing candy.

Sorry we don't see eye to eye on this issue... we usually agree on about everything else!

Cheers,

SB

[D33]

(stogie bear @ Sep. 29 2007,14:12)

And what about the 1000+ other guys who NEVER shoot in Thailand and their content is stolen even more than mine? What is the argument then?

It's a different one. NOT the one you have chosen to persue.

The case you are referring to isn't the one I meant. I was specifically alluding to the Japanese company who had been caught with all their equipment, filming on the beach with Jap girls and Thai guys...

Of course there are cases reported and not reported, that can be bought out of. Nevertheless it's a risky business to shoot porn in Thailand and even you would have to agree that being caught making it would be a more harrowing and consequential crime than downloading it!

For all the pornographers who shoot within the confines of the law, well, then they probably have a more worthy gripe. But the plain fact is that most people who download porn on the internet for free would not pay for it anyway.

You can't say that for every person who aquires a copy of a CD/.avi file of yours that you are losing it's retail value.

I've downloaded gigabytes of free porn and almost all of it has been subsequently deleted because it's crap. I'd be a bitter customer if I had paid for it all! It's simply not worth the legal asking price.

So you have to pay costs like models, production, distribution... so what... who cares... if it's still not good enough for the general public to pay a whopping $20 for then it's your problem top solve.

I downloaded the movie 'Transformers' yesterday and the quality was excellent, but the movie was so fucking awful I couldn't watch more than 20 minutes without hoping my life would end. I deleted it because it was total shite, EVEN FOR FREE!!! Why would I want to pay actual money for that?

But you are right... downloading from the WWW IS stealing... but it's about as serious as a child stealing candy.

Sorry we don't see eye to eye on this issue... we usually agree on about everything else!

Cheers,

SB

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to get arrested, but I do think it's a joke. It's all about the money, nothing more.

Yea, we don't see eye to eye on this. Never will. Though I do disagree that if options were limited for stealing it, some people would buy it again. Not everyone, but a good handful will. Napster is a perfect example of this.

[allstar88]

i wonder whos got the biggest porn stash on this site? mines only about 10 dvd`s i prefer the t`internet

[vangough05]

(Tomcat @ Sep. 13 2007,23:58)

(jonstroud @ Sep. 13 2007,10:14) Artists produce art for the sake of it.

Most professional Artists dont. When did you here of a
top female Porn Star shag for fun or Rock Star perform for free unless its for charity.  Thats "the most stupid comment i heard this year award"

Also In The UK , copyright infringement  is a serious offence. If you get caught copying as a busines you certainly lose your house as well as your shirt....take my word for it..Ive been involved in several cases.

In Australia you get more time in the big house for stealing copy right then you would for belting, raping and humilitating another human being. GO FIGURE

[manarak]

(D33 @ Sep. 19 2007,09:38)

(stogie bear @ Sep. 09 2007,20:49)

The music industry was cut in HALF in just 2 years...

Good. It's a scam and always has been. Same as what you and I do. It's a scam and anyone can get what we sell for free... the upside is that there are a few people that know so little about computers that they have to pay for it!

If your product is good enough and properly marketed then you'll find a fee paying audience. The people downloading your content for free wouldn't pay for it even if the free option wasn't available.

The music industry has collapsed and that is in favour of the musicians and the music lovers. The advertising companies and record labels who contribute NOTHING to the artistic process are the only ones that suffer.

I tell you what... IF it is really stealing like you say you show me what your missing and I'll compensate you!

Sorry Stogie, I have to disagree with you bud. You really need to research what it is you are talking about here. It's a much larger problem than you are aware of.

I dont know what you get paid here, but I can assure you that based on what is going on right now, you will be out of a job in 2 years or less. Every site owner and every DVD company owner I know is taking huge losses right now. And admit to it or not, AsianTS.com if it is not already taking a bit of a beating, it's going to.

I'm almost retired anyway so at the end of the day, an though piracy does cost me money, I've put back enough to float me through life on easy street should the bottom fall out tomorrow. I hope you have done the same.

Laugh now, but remember this thread.

Online porn has been hit hard in june 2008 - my sales were halved, and I know many other sites which were hit hard too.

It seems though that the decline came from the crisis and not from piracy.

My take on piracy is the following:

1- you will never get people who can use a computer well to pay for content, unless they are rich & lazy.
Before, in the VHS era, it was people who could use 2 recorders. Copy, copy... I did my share. Same as now... But one could say that P2P got a bit too easy.

2- the content will be available in pirated versions anyway, the industry just has to see that the download & exchange does not get easy enough for computer illiterates to participate.

That's all, and it pretty much seems to be the state of things right now.
I don't know many people who have their computers on P2P 27/7.

The target market for movies and sites is: computer illiterates & rich, lazy guys.

[guydesavoy]

Interesting thread and thanks for the bump manarak.

I think a slight distinction can be made between the porn and music industries. Ok,. agreed, both have their fare share of whores

The music industry has had to remodel the delivery of their product. Witness iTunes for example, sales are booming outside the traditional CD market.

Can the porn industry do the same ? I think people have less qualms about illegaly acquiring porn and rationalising it. Another thing about porn is that some people are only interested in clips or the money shot..And they delete soon after downloading. I mean how much of this shit can you keep ? It's for a private wank, not for viewing/listening/exchanging with family or friends or watching on the commute to work

It is increasingly seen as disposable. Not like CDs or albums in the past that were treasured. Maybe the content itself of music these days is disposable, but that's another story...Porn on the other hand, seems to lend itself more to this disposable model. In the old days, product came via VHS and was not as abundant. It only stands to reason that with the explosion of the internet and the plethora of porn product available, that disposability mentality thrives. Why pay 20 or 30 bucks for a dvd or download when you are not going to keep it for long, maybe watch it once or twice, and then move on to the next wank item ?

Basically, porn consumers are wankers So if they want to survive, either the industry prays for more idiots who cant get it for free, or they change the model.

Maybe they could do like the music industry and market and sell cumshots...like singles.

1 buck to download a song at iTunes, no need to pay 20 for the whole album...fillers and all..

How about $1 cumshots ?

[Tuck]

Ladyboys in Pain : Asai - Bibi - Fish

Rough anal sex, ligth bondage and Fish gets some hot candle wax on her ass...ouch!

Havent gotten around to watching it but skimming through seemed ok and the girls overacting a little.

Im in BKK now so yeah wont watch it for sometime to come

[guydesavoy]

I feel sure you really meant to put that on twitter