LB's as buddies?

[stogie bear]

It is ridiculous to think you cannot have a friendship with a LB, unless you are an ass.

I agree... my point is why would you want one?

Friendship to me has always been hard to come by. Maybe I'm an ass! Certainly I'm not an easy person to get on with. Not crying about it - just don't feel the need for 'buddies' or friends. Of course there are a few people I would go out of my way for and there are three ladyboys on that list.

Companionship is NOT friendship.

[batman4ever]

(stogie bear @ Aug. 13 2007,17:37)

It is ridiculous to think you cannot have a friendship with a LB, unless you are an ass.

I agree... my point is why would you want one?

Friendship to me has always been hard to come by. Maybe I'm an ass! Certainly I'm not an easy person to get on with. Not crying about it - just don't feel the need for 'buddies' or friends. Of course there are a few people I would go out of my way for and there are three ladyboys on that list.

Companionship is NOT friendship.

okay okay....maybe english is not my native ....but i said yes...i do have LB friends....i just separate that in close/not close...but still i call them friends...

but okay...i AM a friendly person....

[Guest]

(stogie bear @ Aug. 13 2007,19:37)

It is ridiculous to think you cannot have a friendship with a LB, unless you are an ass.

I agree... my point is why would you want one?

Friendship to me has always been hard to come by. Maybe I'm an ass! Certainly I'm not an easy person to get on with. Not crying about it - just don't feel the need for 'buddies' or friends. Of course there are a few people I would go out of my way for and there are three ladyboys on that list.

Companionship is NOT friendship.

I don't think it should matter whether someone is a ladyboy when it comes to friendship it is the person that is important and not their gender.

However it would be difficult I believe to have a real in the P4P industry although of course not impossibe.

[Looker]

(stogie bear @ Aug. 13 2007,17:37) Not crying about it - just don't feel the need for 'buddies' or friends.

Thanks STOGIE!
You just gave me the right words to say when people are asking me why I don't hang out with friends..and why I do not have many friends in general.
But it's right..I don't need them

[ShockToe]

Have made only one true LB friend in 3 years here. Have three (current) LB f*ck-buddies (I have explained this term to all of them), two of which could end up being longer term friends.

[doitrong]

(fancylighters @ Aug. 12 2007,08:13) Just wonder if any of you guys have made good friends, even buddies with any of the ladyboys?

All my girls are buddies when we go out on the piss......

Nothing like pissing in the same trough as your buddie...

[Guest]

Great topic. It inspires me to open and share more with all of you, friends.

Well, I do not know If my personal story and experience may be enough interesting to post it here, but I wish to share with all you.

I have been roaming round Thailand since 2001. I must confess I was a straight guy until I was really hurt by losing an exceptional girl [an Isaan girl from Ubon Rachathani who used to be my fiancee] in the middle of 2003. I really got in a deep depression that forced me to come back in LA.

In the middle of my confinement, I joined to ATS in August 2003, tempted for some photos I had previously seen on those old ATS super-stars, such as CHERRY, PIM, PREAW (bkk), MONICA, ELLA (bali), POLIEN, AON, NOTE (chm), KAT, JI, NENA (phk), etc. and etc.  And with the help of Jon from ATS, I collected a great number of telephones and e-mails until I decided that was time to come back to live in Thailand.

I met the gorgeous AON - both pre and post-op with the most beautiful legs I have ever seen -, the charming POLIEN - pre-op only, really exceptional person -, the sexiest KAT - a real irresistible temptation - and the lost pre-star AREEYA - really young, innocent and curious still -.

Since 2004, I have established relationships with well-known LBs for all you. Working LBs as VICKY (in retirement), MINT (in guess bar), AON (localition unknow... maybe living with the lucky Jon), AREEYA (autonomous dollar-maker), PAWAN (maybe a dead person today), and more.

But please NOT GET MISTAKEN, Real Friendship with a LB who had a previous or have a dark-live is not totally possible!!!!    It is a crazy thing... many ups and downs.

Stogie is 100% right, many misunderstand the meaning of FRIENDSHIP. The relationship you may have with a working LB is defined by COMPANIONSHIP. And the success of that relation depends exclusively on how long time you can keep giving her REASONS to maintain interest on the relation with you on the competitive Thai market.

It is important to focus on that, the "REASONS". Especially talking on working or previously working LBs, it is normally financial stablility but also just and only  emotional care If you know to work it.

For my experience, the closer relationship to Real Friendship is possible only with those I never have been directly sexually involved. In the first week of August, after an important appointment I lost my wallet in Paragon... so got myself with out any f_ _ ing bath to come back home in late afternoon. What I did?, walked to NEP and visit a good LB friend who works in Cascades to ask her to give me some money to take BTS and bus. Although I never barfined her and never do more than visit her and share time to listen, adviser and help her emotionally when she needs it;  her words were "I give better 500 bath to you, ok? You take taxi. Mai rot-tua, want you taxi. You phone me you in your home, ok?".  

Real Friendship with a LB is possible but not in the unrealistic and fooled dreams of "f_ _ing buddies". Although this Thai LBs are worth of dream of!!!

Cheers guys  

[Guest]

First of all, one has to define friend or friendship. That is too hard or ambiguous. I can say that I share a type of relationship with 3 ladyboys, two of whom are former lovers, ie. I was someone who bar-fined them and would see them consistently over a number of years. The passage of time adds to the trust and relationship. One is still free-lancing around Nana. But I never communicate beyond a wave if she is on the street working. I have her phone number and I can visit her apartment anytime she is available. We hang out, eat together, make love etc. If she leaves for her isaan home she gives me the key to her apartment, so the trust is there. I totally give her freedom to do as she desires and sometimes she will be with me all day and then go out to do some business in the night, then returns and we sleep together. She still has hopes that I will "take care of her" so she can retire from the streets. The second one was someone I supported for a while from the Philippines. We broke up and she went on to be a superstar of escorting, but we still chat two or three times a week and she still would like to be with me, IF I fork over the money for breast implants--her obsession in life. That is not going to happen. The third one is my current girlfriend who calls everyday and lives in a condo I rent in Thailand. I know she wants it ALL, a husband for life, but I really just want my own place alone and less intensity.

[TTChang]

(fancylighters @ Aug. 12 2007,08:13) Just wonder if any of you guys have made good friends, even buddies with any of the ladyboys?

I thought I had.....  but I was wrong  

[Guest]

I don't see it so complex at all. If you have to question who is a friend or not by squirming on definitions, that is most certainly extremely odd.

I have LB friends, non-working and working, as I mentioned, and I don't have to look in the dictionary or wikipedia to determine that they are indeed friends.

Like any friend, it takes time to develop the mutual trust and honest friendship (which I have with them), but their gender and employment had nothing to do with helping or preventing that. Basic language skills were helpful, but frankly, perfect English wasn't really the major factor, it was simple enjoyment of each other's company, respect, and mutual emotional support, just like with any other friend.

[fancylighters]

(stogie bear @ Aug. 12 2007,23:16)

My friendship with her is excellent, and it is something I value...

Good for you and you have illustrated the value of this friendship by pointing out that there's no money invloved and you enjoy dinner together. Under this set of friendship criteria I am friends with most of the known world.

A friend to me is someone I would expect to show up at my funeral.

(BTW - another great post from Kahuna! You da man!)

SB has summed up my definition of a "friend" very well.

I knew a bouncer at the LA Club Peanuts as well as anyone can a guy who frisks you down, stamps your wrist, and who you exchange bs with while outside sucking a fag (oh, I love that term, but I mean a cig.).

I was an idiot more than once at that club, and he helped me out.

He died suddenly a couple of years ago. There was a memorial at the club during the middle of the week, during the middle of the the day. I went took time off to attend, and I fk'ing cried during it.

That's perhaps an extreme example of what I'm thinking when I say "friend". OTOH, it could be someone who will tolerate if I puke in their bathroom, or just hangs out w/me to watch a game on the tele and makes wry comments re the girls' and footballers' asses, or who trades off buying beers at the clubs, they can be my friend too.

OTOH, some biatch who gets pissed off if I won't buy them a drink, barfine them, etc. Those aren't friends.

btw, I never meant to confine this to "working girls".

[funny]

Alright then,,

A question.

What is friendship and what is companionship ?

What is friendship to a Thai vs. to a Westerner?

What is friendship to a LB??

[kahuna]

(funny @ Aug. 14 2007,12:07) What is friendship to a LB??

Something they have with one of their "sisters" until a customer's baht enters the picture...

[kahuna]

Sorry I was trying to be cute but I'll go off topic and elaborate a bit...and keep in mind this is directed solely at bar girls...

On another thread someone asked how the girls' dance groupings are chosen in Obs...and wondered if it was by clique or prior friendship...well the answer is it's done by the girl's height...but dancing next to one another night after night 20 to 30 times a night, 6 nights a week, they do become friends...or what you would perceive as friends...

In one such dance group of perhaps 15 to 20 girls, there are maybe 5 girls who if you saw them interact you would think they were best friends and would do anything for one another...they dance together, they sit together, they party together, they go shopping togehter, they go to the disco together, they go out together on their days off...just like friends...

I have barfined 3 of the girls in that group more than one time...I don't take girls ST...only LT and usually, especially with this group...for 3 or 4 days at a time...

And I guarantee that the "friendship" goes right out the window the minute I take my wallet out...
Would you do that to a "real" friend?  Not surprisingly, the next evening they are all friends again...

Friendship is respect...and when someone I thought was a friend violates that respect...I no longer consider them my friend...not so with these ladies...

That's not to say that they don't have noncompetitive friends outside of the bar...They do and I have witnessed it...

But the relationship between the girls inside the bar is indeed unique...

[bigmick22]

(kahuna @ Aug. 14 2007,15:02) :...well the answer is it's done by the girl's height...

same in Cascades - they have three rotations

small, medium and large