Guilt trip

[dommy6]

Further to my last reply in Pre op yuk where I made reference to guilt trips.

The only thing I feel guilty about is my reluctance to be seen in public with a lay boy. I feel I am not doing the right thing by them. I have made a good friend from Bangkok chat who is a non working girl and has regular job in airline industry. Even though she does have to work as a boy.

We have been chatting for ages. I wouldn€™t call her a stunner but scrubs up pretty good. I have seen her on web cam and has an ok body. Small boobs and smooth skin and no facial hair. We have spoken on the phone and did the phone sex thing and talked quite a bit. I have already told her there will be no relationship as I am a butterfly and would see other girls and lady boys. I have even encouraged her to see others as I may only get to Thailand once a year. And if she finds a regular boyfriend I will be the first one to congratulate her. I said I would be more than happy to have a friendship with something extra. She is a real nice kid.

She does not come across as a horror story in the making. She has never asked for money not that she will get any and seems to be from a well off family. She frequently goes off on trips whether work related or pleasure so she is pretty stable on the financial front.

Now I plan to go to Thailand in February. I have said I will meet her. Now here is my guilt trip. I fear I may get cold feet in the end. I have even thought of her meeting me as a boy as she looks very femme anyway. I know then people will then think I am gay. But I don€™t really give a fuck about that. But you see where the problem is? I am quite prepared to be seen as a gay (after giving it a lot thought) than be seen with a lady boy. Is this stupid or what? I have a lot to think about.

Regards

[Lotusman]

Dommy6,

Or my friend, your thinking too much. Who gives a fuck what other people think. Think more of what your friend is going to feel. That is what is important. Just do what makes you happy, and don't think too much about what others are thinking. You migh be surprised to find that no one cares.

Lotusman

[Bit Beefy]

I have to admit im kina in the same boat as u bro.....im a little weary myself of being seen out in the open with Ladyboys for fear of............ I still dont know what it is....In phuket i know why as my Girl Girlfriend is best friends with my friends girlfriend, people dont know im into LB's so if im seen the shit hits the fan....and there goes my double life....lol....Pattaya similar story... But Bangkok....i just dont know, i think its cos in the back of my head due to personal experiences this world is a very very small place, the odds of meeting or seeing someone u know are close to zilch but time after time it happens to me...I flew to bangkok alone, the 2nd day i see someone who lives on my road in the market. Now i jusy know he lives on my road??? What are the odds of that??? As lotus rightly said your thinking to much and so am I, 1st time i went with an LB when i came out of the short time room my heart was pounding, i behaved like id just planted a bomb and i didnt want the CCTV cameras to pick up my face....lol...yet again thinking to much..the only way to get over ive found is to literaly not give a damn..as half the people looking at u either u wont see again or even if they do see u again they wont say oh look theres that bloke who was with the ladyboy the other day....but on the other side of the coin i met a ladyboy in a shopping mall for coffee and i felt uncomfortable simply because i could feel peoples eyes burning in the back of my head...i was embarased....i just put that down to i need to grow up and recognize that its my life and will do what the hell i want....but we all wana be accepted dont we....

as far as meeting ull buddy goes do what u r comfortable with..no point u meeting him dressed as a ladyboy if ure gona be nervous as hell looking around to see who is looking at u every 5 minutes... if push comes to shove.....to make both parties happy meet at nite wen everyones concerned with getting laid or getting drunk....

i hope u make some sense out of that drivel ive just written....

[stogie bear]

Guilt is for sinners...

Me and Kui hold hands everywhere we go. All our friends, and people we work with, all know about her. It's a novelty at the beginning, but ultimately not an issue.

If you are in a serious relationship with someone then nature takes its' course. If you are just out for some fun with a bar ladyboy then, as with a regular girl, you are going to arouse some attention walking arm in arm around the shopping mall!

Get over guilt. It's for sinners only!

[Guest]

Some seriously good advice from the other brothers here as always. I think I know what you mean dommy6 and as Lotus says "your thinking too much" buddy.

Dommy6 can I propose this to you. What have you got to be so shy or ashamed of ? A beautiful,vibrant, good looking person walking with you ? A person that some (albeit not all) people MIGHT even be ENVIOUS of YOU. Some of those so called "looks" you might encounter are not always negative ones believe you me ! When you "meet" the eyes as I always do I cannot remember the number of smiles I get back ! OK some will be deceptive but hey it is not a scoul or an insult dude !

You say you are doing it for her. Sorry my friend but I don't just buy that one little bit ! Your ladyboy friend will think more of you as a person ( dare I say it RESPECT you more as a person) if you take the courage to be with her. What type of person do you think your ladyboy will think you are if your only meeting her at night in some hotel or quiet bar ? What are you gonna do get the bell boy to smuggle her in under a blanket ? Jesus, God forbid if someone sees ya ? I did not know you were famous or in the public eye ?

The long and short of it is that I think you might have a confidence problem and I don't mean to be patronising here. Tell me, why are you seeking approval from mullethead in the street, or fat sweating bloke in the street, or drunken wee jock poo pong Mc fucking plop who probably cleans the toilets in Aberdeen ? Who the fuck are these people(strangers !) in the same street that you and I walk that they are so important that you need to get there say so to live YOUR LIFE ? Some say you only have 1 life - why are you living in the shadows fearing peoples attitude who you will in all truth NEVER meet again ?

The problem is that you will never get peoples approval all of the time and your bloodly luck if you get it some of the time. Just accept that people are terribly fickle. It could be your tie, your shirt , your car that would cause them to stare or cast judgement - hey we all do it to a degree. Hey opinions are like assholes everybodys got one !

Do not care what other people think, you will waste a life time worrying about nobodies generally ! Who the fuck cares if somebody does say something bad ? 9/10 times people will not utter a word until your long gone - then what does it matter ? You are not doing anything wrong and who the fuck are they to say what you can and cannot do !(aslong as it is legal !) You deserve to be in that bar or that restaurant,nightclub,hotel just like anybody else !

I understand that people like to belong and blend in but within that cosy community it DOES NOT give them authority to tell me how to live my LIFE. If we do not fight and show ourselves to be strong and true not only to our ladyboys but the outside World then we don't deserve this lifestyle because it will be worth nothing. If we few good people are not prepared to defend this way of life that for me is SPECIAL, gives me infinate happiness and a willingness for living life then we do not desrve to live period !!!

I do not hold any malice towards anyone who is shy with ladyboys and I do understand BUT I say please TAKE COURAGE with this because if you not prepared to stand up for this way of life what other things are you losing to save face ? This is your life take command don't let faceless strangers give you any sense of guilt - damn there eyes !!!

For those that stare, Watch there fucking faces as you smile back at them with the largest ever grin on your face. They will know the MAN is in town and here to stay for a beer or three !

Enjoy,

Bricktop

[Guest]

And hey you can kiss goodbye that B600 I owe you if you can't be seen with my numerous ladyboy friends !!

You know it makes sense.

Bricktop

[Guest]

See told you bricktop had a way with words.
I can't speak for anyone else, only myself.
When i arrived in BKK i was met at the airport by my ladyboy and had no problem, we got to the hotel and there were looks and smirks from some of the staff, bland indifference from most.
We walked down the street for some food hand in hand, yes it was night, and she asked me if i was shy--- to be honest i was a little nervous about what people were thinking but i was not too worried to be holding her hand, she is a stunner [in my book anyway, she is on this site and most seem to agree with me].
i spent a great deal of time with her and some people who looked at us knew what she was , did i care NO.
What people think is thier problem not mine, i like this girl so much that if i can get her out of thailand i will and i will have no problem walking down the street in my country holding her hand.
All of my friends know about her and what she is, all are supportive and some are even helping with our plans.
That is all that matters --- friends that stand by you.
The opinions of people you don't know should not bother you, who are they to judge you and what do you care anyway.
Guilt is only good if it stops you from hurting or killing others.
Allowing guilt to stop you from being happy is just plain stupid.
What has society done for you and why do want to conform to the established norm, it obviosly does nothing for you otherwise you would be living it and not posting up here. and who says living with a ladyboy is not normal, who decides who you shoul love--- YOU DO and you control your happiness not others. Living with a ladyboy may not be as easy for you as with a woman but where the fuck is it written that life is easy, i missed that page!.
If your ladyboy sees you are in love with her as she may be with you and you are prepared to show it imagine how good you may end up feeling.
You are a short time alive, and a long time dead.
if there is life after death, do you want to spend it thinking about what might have been.
I appreciate that your life is different from mine, but i feel a lot better with this girl than i have with any other genetic girl and i would be proud to have her in my country. and if i get her here it will not be society or the opinions of insignificant dickheads that decide if we have a happy life or not. it will be the complex rules of compatability that control all relationships.
Listen to your heart 1st, the opinions of those who you respect 2nd
And fuck the rest.
You only get one shot in this fucked up world, be one of the happy ones

[Guest]

Oh yeah, i forgot to say, we spent a great deal of the time holding hands day or night and it felt just fine

[Guest]

Hey....some great oratory here......I like it.

Many Lbs feel that there is a fair bit of discrimination against them.......and that is true......also applies to gays.....and I often see people making faces or looking condecendingly amused at LBs....but as someone said before there are a lot of thai guys who would love to tuck up with a gorgeous LB but havnt got the balls to be seen publicly with one....so a lot of looks will be envious.......Numerous LB have told me of clandestine approaches they get from "straight guys" roght from school age

In thailand I always make a point of showing I am proud to be with my LB friends, and I know they appreciate this show of respect and confidence. SInce they are with a farang guy, and staying at a nice hotel or eating at nice cafes, and enjoying a good standard of living in my company this gives them more status than a lot of the people who might not like it....and I love seeing my gal being served and waited on especially by mutha fuckers who may have appeared to discriminate........If you take notice of all this subtle stuff going on it can be fascinating and amusing.

As for being "sprung" with a LB by someone from your home....In most cases they wouldnt even know the lady you are with is a LB anyway.....the majority are pretty passable to western eyes......although the Thais can mostly pick them....fucked if I know how.

From what I can tell most LBs find it difficult to find a Thai life partner....most thai guys only want them for sex or a casual time before they go off and marry a real Thai girl so they can look conventional and fit in......hence the procession of broken heart stories etc among LBs......

I am just so happy I discovered these delightful angels while I can enjoy them ....and will always be proud to have the gal of my choice right along side no matter where I am.....Glad most of you agree

Crypton

[dommy6]

Thanks guys

I will take all advice on board. on second thought fuck it. I will go for it. Will let you guys know what happens. Thanks again.

And yes brickie you are right. And my offer still stands always. With or with out your lady boy freinds.

Best regards to all.

[Guest]

Good Chap Dommy6 - Good luck and have fun OK !

Bricktop

[Guest]

Hey all,very interesting post.When i first found myself attracted to ladyboysthere is absolutely NO way i would of been seen in public with a LB.Now im 39 and i just got back from 2 wonderful weeks in Thailand and spent a week of it with my sweety Gap from the limmonqui in Pattayagoing to dinner,movies and everywhere else together hand in hand and not giving a fat rats ass what anybody thought/did.
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