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  • Bangkok Dreaming

    As I sit here on a boring Monday in the UK, my thoughts are always in Bangkok and Hua Hin, usually how can I get to live there on a full-time basis, but in reality it is a dream, and living the dream is unattainable for most of us. I know I will be flamed for this but really, unless you have no ties or have balls as big as Mr. Stogie's or Ozzie, who in fact can actually make that giant step?

    Firstly, we all have some ties to the mother country, whether it be family or business. For me it is the latter, a fledgling business that is just beginning to turn the corner. God, how I wish I had made the step 4 years ago when it was fairly open, but again I chose the easy option, or so I thought. Now I am pretty much stuck here whilst I graft away to build a business that may (or may not!!) allow me a life in Thailand at some point in the future.

    But what about the parallel universe? To most of us who visit Thailand on a fairly regular basis we come to enjoy the camaraderie of the ex-pats off this board, the unbelievable beauty and cheapness of the ladies, the fairly cheap food and lodging, and the facility of buying a range of cheap, fake designer products to sell when we get back home. In reality though it's not a cheap holiday. By the time you figure in flights, hotels, bar fines and ladies you could easily have had a couple of fortnight breaks in the med, not that many of us would choose that anyway! For a week of fun you are looking at 1000 euros (or £700 min) just to have fun!! This is not true life. I personally work long hours and 6 day weeks in order to afford 9 days in the LOS every 3 months, foregoing a social life here in order to save for upcoming trips.

    For me, and I guess most of us who read here regularly, a life in Thailand has to consist of some sort of routine or otherwise I am sure you would get bored of it pretty quickly. Whether this is a job, a hobby or something else, you would need something to get you out of bed in the morning. You also need money. I reckon a westerner living in Bangkok needs a minimum of 50k per month to live, and this isn't allowing a huge amount for extra curricular activities, so unless you have savings, or are able to land a great job in Bangkok, then I wouldn't recommend a life there.

    I know you can live cheaply if you want, especially in Pattaya, but then what's the point of being there? For me it would be to enjoy my life more and for that it would cost...

    So just looking back, I am thinking I would need at least 100k a month and savings of at least 1million bt to have a better life. This doesn't include the purchase of major items and down payments on somewhere to live. So again the thoughts are pushed to the back of my mind for the time being.

    Still 2 years away!!
    seriously pig headed,arrogant,double standard smart ass poster!


  • #2
    My second trip is getting very close (60 hours). It is my second trip; my first one was 15 days, this is 39 days. One of the goals this trip is to learn more about living there. I am retired and financialy can make the move, but it is a big decision. I have four grandchildren and I enjoy watching them grow up and my time spent with them. I also own a nice house (still making payments) and have some very good friends. Some of the friends think moving is a good idea, they would then have a place to stay and a guide in Thailand. Moving to LOS is a big decision and not one, for me, to be made hastily. I will see some more of the country this trip, attend a couple of expat club meetings and talk to some people who live there (I have a list of question to ask). Living there is a dream I have now, whether I decide to make that dream a reality or not, I don't know yet. I will know a lot more come the end of May.

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    • #3
      just turned 50, in October last year.Married to a Thai woman.Selling assets in Australia and we plan to spend 6 Months ( Dec,Jan,Feb,June,July,August) in Thailand and the other six in Oz.We then get the best of both worlds.I have structured my business so that all things, other than buying my licenses, are taken care of in Oz.Already have a house in Issan and some empty land.Looking to purchase a car, a place in Hua Hin ( bar/restaurant) and LIVE THE DREAM!!!!
      An obvious advantage is the Thai wife, although the knowledge of lb availability, being so close, will be a constant temptation.
      nigel69

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      • #4
        I always up to recently had been unsure about a permenmant move to Thailand,,not too many ties here in UK and am in the financial to do so,Im 49yrsd old and own my own buisness. December 06 i bought a house in Pattaya and have decided that from 14th may i will be staying in Pattaya for 3 months and then back to the Uk for 3. I will do this untill i have decided if a more permenant move would be a good one.So i will stay there 3 mts Thai,,3 mts UK.The expected rent for the 6 months that i will be home is also a nice little earner.While im in Pattaya any time the need arises i can be in Bangkok in a couple of hours and a few nights in a hotel there is no big deal.Compared to property prices in the Uk Thailand is very cheap and its not as far out of reach as some may imagine.I bet there are lots of you guys here on forum who spend more on their car than it would cost to buy a 3 bedroom furnished condo in Pattaya and you dont have a rental income on your motor.May get some of you guys thinking.

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        • #5
          Don't know KL...perhaps you just have the LOS Blues...the same Blues we all suffer...I don't know your situation, but maybe you should plan a longer visit...30 days or more...

          Personally, I have the means and the time, but after my recent 3 month visit I'm not certain I am willing to give up my ties to the west...at least not just yet...

          Of course after being home 2 days I am ready to return...and will in a few weeks time...but for right now I'm thinking I will just go in and out every few months or so...maybe look for a small condo in a quiet place near a nice beach to set some shallow roots next trip...Well see...

          For now, have a nice glass of your favorite wine and dream of days to come...........

          Cheers,

          kahuna
          "It's not Gay if you beat them up afterwards."  --- Anon

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          • #6
            i must admit to being very much like KL,
            but unlike KL i dont have my own buisness, im 36 ive just immigrated to Oz, no wife or partner, so in that sense im fine, but in a career i hate, due mainly to the unsociable and very long hours, so am trying to look at alternative career paths, but when this is all you have known, makes it very hard, especialy when you know your going to have to start probably from the bottom again...

            so my dreams of making it to LOS are a long way off!!! looks like i'll have to make do with hopefully 2 X 2 week trips a year .

            Im curious as to what careers you other guys do to "earn an honest crust" as they say? as for me im a chef!! and like i say its all ive done, but have got to that stage where im fed up with the hours 60-70 a week, working every night & weekends, there has got to be more to life...

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            • #7
              I also own a nice house (still making payments) and have some very good friends. Some of the friends think moving is a good idea, they would then have a place to stay and a guide in Thailand.
                This is a very, very bad idea... Although the idea of your friends popping over during the year and you waiting on them hand and foot may sound great the first time, this will quickly get old and you will become the bad guy if you say 'No!' If you buy a nice house here then by all means invite your family over to stay, but for your friends then get them to make their own arrangements at a hotel and invite them over for a day at a time to your house.

              My sister has a beautiful farm house in France and invites us all over whenever we want providing we pay the rental! This stops a lot of us freeloaders from abusing her friendly hospitality. Yep - she even charges her family, and I must say I agree with her... otherwise you'll have more friends than you know what to do with!

              I will see some more of the country this trip, attend a couple of expat club meetings and talk to some people who live there...
              You won't learn anything from Expat Clubs. What a bunch of losers these people are. But it's a good way to find out fast what a bunch of weasels, losers and scammers have escaped the real world to retire here!

              In fact I'll wager you a bet now...

              Within the first three meetings at these clubs or talking to any long term expats this is what I think will happen...

              1 - Someone will ask for a short term loan of cash which they will promise to pay you back when their pension comes through at the end of the month...

              2 - Someone will let you in on their great business idea which amazingly the rest of the world has not thought about before... (import/export, gems, clothing, eBay... the usual scams)

              3 - Someone will arrange to meet you for dinner in the very near future and simply not bother to show up without a word of explanation.

              4 - Someone will recommend a really good place to live/buy/stay at, and you try it only to find that it's the worst place you've ever set foot in, in your life...

              Stick to the people you meet on this forum... You'll learn a lot more a lot quicker. Expats are dangerous, unreliable and a bloody nuisance and these so called expat clubs are a hive of loser activity!

              Looking to purchase a car, a place in Hua Hin ( bar/restaurant) and LIVE THE DREAM!!!!
                So long as the restaurant/bar is a hobby for your wife and NOT a business proposition then you'll have a grand old time. If you try to interfere with her hobby by trying to make it profitable then pack up and go back to wherever you came from, because you just lost the single most important reason for moving here... NO STRESS!

              I bet there are lots of you guys here on forum who spend more on their car than it would cost to buy a 3 bedroom furnished condo in Pattaya!
              Wise words... I remember a poster a long time ago saying that he quit buying 5 dollar coffees in the US because it was 200 Baht more he could spend in Thailand!

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              • #8
                Damn... I've just re-read that lot and it's no wonder they call me Mr Grumpy!

                Sorry if it comes across as entirely negative and I'm sure some of you will happily ignore my rantings and do your own thing. I always support people from this forum who seriously want to 'Take a chance on the good life' but many people come here and really act like 10 year olds on Christmas day!

                Best to be forewarned and forearmed these days... and I promise you that all my advice or comments are realistic and NOT 'over the top.'

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                • #9
                  (stogie bear @ Apr. 17 2007,12:57) Damn... I've just re-read that lot and it's no wonder they call me Mr Grumpy!  
                  Not just Mr. Grumpy...
                  we also call you Mr. Curmudgeon...
                  but behind your back...
                  "It's not Gay if you beat them up afterwards."  --- Anon

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                  • #10
                    Well, I had to look that one up... (I'd heard the word before but didn't know what it meant...)

                    I'd say that it's a good assesment, though!
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                    • #11
                      Well Stogie, grumpy or not, I admire your sarcasm, deep insights and pragmatic grasp of situations.
                      Deric

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                      • #12
                        Stogie, I appreciate the feedback. I wouldn't post if I didn't expect some comment. I can be pretty tight with my money; I worked hard to get it and I don't believe in "can't miss" schemes. I hope to see you the end of May. I'll buy you a drink.

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                        • #13
                          (stogie bear @ Apr. 17 2007,12:57) but many people come here and really act like 10 year olds on Christmas day!
                          And whats wrong with that?  .............. I like unwrapping the presents in LOS  

                          For now, have a nice glass of your favorite wine and dream of days to come...........
                          Good advice, kahuna >>>>>>>>Christmas Day = end of May  for TTC (mental age 10 & a bit)  
                          TT

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                          • #14
                            I don't know your situation, but maybe you should plan a longer visit...30 days or more
                            No can do at the moment.

                            after my recent 3 month visit I'm not certain I am willing to give up my ties to the west...at least not just yet.
                            I think this is what I was getting at. As good as it is for a break, whether that be 8 days or 3 months, unless you have a job to keep you occupied, then it can seem like an adult disneyland.

                            Best to be forewarned and forearmed these days... and I promise you that all my advice or comments are realistic and NOT 'over the top.'
                            This is what we want, not someone telling us that it will be easy and no problems. Thanks for your practicality.
                            seriously pig headed,arrogant,double standard smart ass poster!

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                            • #15
                              There comes a time in most peoples lives when they sit back and take a serious look back of what they have accomplished with their lives and what is still left to accomplish...

                              Now - if you took cold hard cash out of that equatiion I'll bet that most of you (me included) have really done fuck all worth remembering...

                              While money continues to trump happiness most of us will simply get richer!
                              If you don't agree with me then you're just plain wrong!  

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