Another Dead Tourist

[Road Runner]

(Randyman @ Jun. 29 2006,12:31) "Guns don't kill people...Bullets do"

Hello Randyman,

I borrowed that quote from the gun lobby.

Maybe that's what's going wrong

The people with the guns haven't worked out that bullets come out when you pull the trigger  

RR.

[Bit Beefy]

What about the UK?

[stogie bear]

Deaths by bullets is alarmingly high in Thailand. Much higher than in the US. You expect that shit-pit South Africa to top the list, but Thailand is third, behind Columbia. After that the rate nosedives.

[Road Runner]

Hello Stogie,

Yes but click on the 'map' tab just above the graphs. I missed this when I did my original post.

Look at all the countries that are missing    

Two I note myself are Nigeria and Brazil.
I know one of the places you are most likely to get robbed or murdered in the world is Sao Paulo in Brazil.
Nigeria  -  Hmmmm......

RR.

[Road Runner]

(Bit Beefy @ Jun. 29 2006,19:03) What about the UK?

Hello Bit Beefy,

The murder rate has been nearly the same since the end of world war 2.   In war time the murder rate goes up what ever the regime, conditions etc.

From the late 40's to the late 80's the rate was around 750 people/year.
After the Berlin wall came down we had an influx of Russian ganngsters and the price of illegal automatic weapons dropped.
The end result was the murder rate slowly climbed to around 850/year and appears to have steadied around that.

In the UK 70% of all murders are committed by family members of the victim.  This applies to most countries.
The remaining 30% are mostly people who have met the victim at work or in some other context.

'Stranger' murders are rare in the UK and in most European countries.
They are far more prevelent in countries which are less developed and/or the law enforcement authorities are inefficient and/or corrupt.

Despite the 'terrorist troubles'  -  Eire (Southern Ireland) has a lower murder rate per capita than the UK.

It appears the more large cities your country has  -  the more likely it is that people try to kill each other  

RR.

[Randyman]

(Road Runner @ Jun. 29 2006,07:36)

(Randyman @ Jun. 29 2006,12:31) "Guns don't kill people...Bullets do"

Hello Randyman,

I borrowed that quote from the gun lobby.

Maybe that's what's going wrong  

The people with the guns haven't worked out that bullets come out when you pull the trigger  

RR.

"Jane you ignorant slut"

RR;

I have 7 rifles and around 20+/- pistols and revolvers. Through the years I've noticed that most gun critics have no practical experience with firearms at any level.

"The people with the guns haven't worked out that bullets come out when you pull the trigger "

Believe me, I don't have that problem.
One of my favorite "things to do" when I have long long time with a lb, is take her shooting. I've never had one not get a big charge out of it.
randyman

[katoeylover]

But there is a massive difference between those countries who allow firearms (USA, deaths - 12658) and those that have banned them (UK -850).

where guns are easily available in free society then shootings will increase. Period.

Deterrents do not work. Period.

[Road Runner]

(Randyman @ Jun. 29 2006,22:37) I have 7 rifles and around 20+/- pistols and revolvers. Through the years I've noticed that most gun critics have no practical experience with firearms at any level.

Hello Randyman,

My brother was in one of the UK armed forces shooting teams.   I've fired a few guns myself  -  but admittedly I'm not very good.

The UK had a very good set of gun laws about 10 years ago.  The general principle was if you owned a house  -  then you would automatically get a shotgun licence.
As long as you were not clinically insane and had no convictions for violent crime.

To own a rifle you had to be a farmer/small holder (small farmer)  and certify you wanted it to shoot vermin.

To own a hand gun/semi automatic you had to be a member of a recognised gun club for at least 1 year and the secretary/chairman of that club had to write a letter saying you were OK.
ie. not a nutter.  

This system worked very well.

Unfortunately we had 2 incidents in the space of 5 years where the police completetly failed to operate it properly.
Both the nutters involved had been convicted/suspected of minor offences which should have got the attention of the police.
Both had questions raised by their GP's (doctors) when they had applied for fire arms certificates.
Both had complaints raised by suspicious neighbours as to their behaviour on more than one occassion when they had waved firearms around in public  -  before licences were granted!
More to the point when they made firearms applications their gun clubs said  -  don't give them a certificate!

In short both were not fit in any way shape or form to have firearms certificates.   But the police still granted them  

Both subsequently went on the rampage and killed several people.  The UK press then did what they do best of all  -  printed a load of c**p.
The government had a 'knee jerk reaction' and now the sane sensible people who used to enjoy this as a sport cannot.

The stupid part is that the level of gun crime increased when the Russian maffia and their automatic weapons arrived  

Gun control does work  -  but I agree that sensible controls are far more effective than a total ban.
I do have some doubts about the policies in the US though  -  the threat of invasion by the UK receeded around 1885.    

RR.

[Randyman]

(katoeylover @ Jun. 29 2006,17:46)  

But there is a massive difference between those countries who allow firearms (USA, deaths - 12658) and those that have banned them (UK -850).

where guns are easily available in free society then shootings will increase. Period.

Deterrents do not work. Period.

Wrong

too many catagories to want to argue the point. Guns vs gun crime fall into different areas. Crimes comitted by owners of "legal" firearms is very very low.There is no comparable value in registering firearms. Nearly all guns used to commit crimes are not legally registered. Just the same, when they spout statistics talking about "kids" and "children," well, there are horrible cases of kids being hurt and killed, but of the total, over 90% of the "children" are actually gang bangers and older teen drug dealers and teen criminals. Not all, but the high majority.
Depending on who and what you believe, any statistic, poll etc. can be worded or structured to show any answer you're looking for. I would have to look it up but I doubt you can find anywhere in the US where a "LTC. license to carry" law has been passed, and the crime rate didn't go down.
To say that "Deterrents do not work. Period." Well, that's just not the case. There are lots of laws. Too many in fact. Every time the fools in Washington want to pass a new law, well look it up, there are just as many that aren't being enforced. The death penality? Well, wether or not you believe in it, it is the ultimate deterrent. But in the land of reality. There are some criminals who will not be deterred. Under any circumstances.
RM.

[Bit Beefy]

(Road Runner @ Jun. 30 2006,09:31)

(Bit Beefy @ Jun. 29 2006,19:03) What about the UK?

Hello Bit Beefy,

The murder rate has been nearly the same since the end of world war 2.   In war time the murder rate goes up what ever the regime, conditions etc.

From the late 40's to the late 80's the rate was around 750 people/year.
After the Berlin wall came down we had an influx of Russian ganngsters and the price of illegal automatic weapons dropped.
The end result was the murder rate slowly climbed to around 850/year and appears to have steadied around that.

In the UK 70% of all murders are committed by family members of the victim.  This applies to most countries.
The remaining 30% are mostly people who have met the victim at work or in some other context.

'Stranger' murders are rare in the UK and in most European countries.
They are far more prevelent in countries which are less developed and/or the law enforcement authorities are inefficient and/or corrupt.

Despite the 'terrorist troubles'  -  Eire (Southern Ireland) has a lower murder rate per capita than the UK.

It appears the more large cities your country has  -  the more likely it is that people try to kill each other  

RR.

Cheers RR I knew i should have paid more attention in history class... One fact that does amaze me is that most murders are commited by someone that the victim knows

[SamplerDoc]

How the hell did this thread get onto guns?  Was the dude shot?
Speaking of guns....Beefy that is a huge gun on your avatar  

[Randyman]

(SamplerDoc @ Jun. 30 2006,23:28) How the hell did this thread get onto guns?  Was the dude shot?
Speaking of guns....Beefy that is a huge gun on your avatar  

I bet she's one he tips his hat too

RM

[Bit Beefy]

(SamplerDoc @ Jul. 01 2006,16:28) How the hell did this thread get onto guns?  Was the dude shot?
Speaking of guns....Beefy that is a huge gun on your avatar  

The bonus is, it fires lives rounds that arent harmfull to ure ass or ure mouth

[Bit Beefy]

(Randyman @ Jul. 01 2006,16:38)

(SamplerDoc @ Jun. 30 2006,23:28) How the hell did this thread get onto guns?  Was the dude shot?
Speaking of guns....Beefy that is a huge gun on your avatar  

 

 I bet she's one he tips his hat too

       RM

i do more than tip my hat

[SamplerDoc]

 Death by Ejaculation!