Post-op story

[Guest]

So I met this cute freelancer named Pun one night walking around outside Nana at 11pm or so........it was October and I was in BKK, just arrived 2 or 3 days before actually. We chatted....she was just my type like in that poll above; cute, small hormone boobs, nice body, 20 years; basically perfect so we went back to my room [hey, I'm easy]. Cool girl.....she stayed a couple nights and I also saw her again about a week later and she stayed over again; we had become friendly and I liked her. I never told her what I do for work, she didn't know about the website or nothing and I wasn't working so I didn't ask her to be a model, just a screw. She had just moved to BKK 6 months prior from some Issan hellhole.

We kinda lost touch.........errr, you know........ anyway, I was travelling a lot and didn't see her again until January; she was in Cascades now, dancing and she hated it. We chatted a bit but of course being the superficial dickhead that I am I was turned off by the fact she had now gotten implants and was working in a go-go bar {right, who am *I* to judge?}. Anyway, I didn't take her out which kinda saddened her but she got over it im sure; the next and last time I saw her was about a week later, freelancing again on lower Suk; she said she hated the bar and had to get out.

OK........fast forward to Songkran, 2006..... April in BKK. I am there with Koko and the Monkeyman, playing water fights with all the Thai people and having fun. In that whole crowd Pun and I somehow spot each other and we chatted; she was with 4 or 5 other ladyboys and they went to play also. An hour later Pun comes back....says she has lost her friends..... all good I say, hang with us and we even have an extra gun for you and I bought her some sandals for 100 baht because she was now shoe-less.

Had fun for 2 or 3 more hours till sunset...... Oz met this girl, he even tried to scoop up on her.....his Aussie buddy also..... hey, they have good eyes! so we leave there now and get a taxi.... Koko in front, and me and Pun and Monkeyman in the back. Small talk follows..... and I ask Pun if she wants to come to the room for a shower and some new clothes? Innocent question, you know...... I mean, we are all soaking wet and look like hell, a hot shower is what everyone wants at this time. Plus.... ya, all right....she was hot, OK??

So now Koko is in the front seat and giggling..... I say to her 'what's so funny' and Koko says to Pun that she should tell me something. Pun says, 'you know JD, since the last time you see me now I am "cut" lady. I have operation 2 months ago, now I lady'. OK, cool.....so she is cut, that's, errrr, ummmm.....fine.....with me. But still a bit uncomfortable in the car now, you know? I mean, she just shocked me with this out of nowhere but Koko already knew.......me and Monkeyman just heard it for the first time.

So I ask her about the whole deal...once the shock wore off I was just plain curious..... turns out she met some joker from France who wanted her to be cut and to be his wife, etc..... and not be a ladyboy anymore. I said "do you love this guy or what?" she says...."not really; he is just OK....now I think I make big mistake na?" Ummmm.......ya, well maybe. But we keep talking and she says that some guy fell for her quickly and was in love and wanted to be with her forever, etc..... and she wanted to do what he wanted for the both of them, and that was to turn her into a lady. So she did it....and now is telling me that it was a mistake and she wished she had never done it, and they were finished now, etc........ if you think the car was uncomfortable before it was really bad now, like being at a funeral.

So we get to the room...... by now all thoughts of sex were on hold of course and the weirdness of the whole last hour are still sinking in, but in any case she was there just for a shower. I offered her some dry clothes, and she certainly could have stayed with us 3 and hung out; I was curious to hear more and she is so sweet and quiet and nice, etc.... but she just put back on her soaking wet clothes and said she had to get home to bed and was tired, etc.... I think also embarassed and maybe felt a little strange around me now, we had discussed post-op's months earlier and she knew my postition on that whole deal.

Last spotted [with Monkeyman again] on Sukhimvit, May 2006.....working as a Lady. A sad lady

[Guest]

It was Heart Breaking to see such a Vibrant , Sexy young Ladyboy who was so emotionally torn up over a huge mistake that she had made for all the wrong reasons .

[donnnnnny]

ghasty mistake to make. Troublle is in thailand they just turn up and get hack to pieces. in the west they are councilled for a long time befor e the sergon wil perform his mutilation.They never take any notice of what silly farangs have to say , after all we are there customers why would they>
Ladyboys form me are fantastic as long as they still have the goods down stairs , once the goods are gone she is a plastic girl. if you wat a girl might as welll get a real one . wie

[kahuna]

JaiDee and Monkeyman....How very sad...And it sounds very emotional for both of you...

But this tale is wasted on us. I would hope that this girl's sad story will reach the ears of other ladies before they make such a tragic and unalterable mistake.

[Guest]

What makes me angry about this very sad story is that some Farang idoit can impose himself and his sick fantasy upon this sweet girl without taking into any consideration what she felt like and how she would feel 20 years down the track.

This is an example of how foreigners can abuse and take advantage of the innoncent and naive. 18 year old Thais ladyboys certainly do not have understanding or mental development to make such a life changing decision without some serious counselling and knowledge.

Sadly they probably only see and listen to those that have had the operation or base their decisions on some cut girl from King's Corner making mega bucks. Thats why I wont pay for a postie!

[doug]

(JaiDee @ Jun. 10 2006,11:23) turns out she met some joker from France who wanted her to be cut and to be his wife, etc..... and not be a ladyboy anymore. I said "do you love this guy or what?" she says...."not really; he is just OK....now I think I make big mistake na?" Ummmm.......ya, well maybe. But we keep talking and she says that some guy fell for her quickly and was in love and wanted to be with her forever, etc..... and she wanted to do what he wanted for the both of them, and that was to turn her into a lady. So she did it....and now is telling me that it was a mistake and she wished she had never done it, and they were finished now, etc........

I have many friends back in the States with similar stories. "Fell in love" with some guy, got the 'hack' for his sake, and then after he disappears, they wind up regretting their hasty decision for the rest of their (all to short, in many cases) lives.

I know there are some strong opinions on both sides of the "post-op/pre-op" fences, but really they boil down to a matter of personal taste.... OUR tastes, not what's best for the lady in mind.

It is a deeply personal choice and one that shouldn't be taken lightly or to please someone else (especially some recent, demanding 'boyfriend'). Unfortunately, many doctors without scrupples just take the money and do the chop (without explaining the possible dangers from infection, nerve damage, hormonal imbalance, emotional trauma, etc....).

It is, after all, an amputation. Whether or not the "appendage" is desired or not is irrelevent. Amputation is a BIG deal, period. Would you chop off your baby-toe or pinky-finger just to be happy? Maybe some people would. But then again, maybe after they did it, they'd suddenly realize that they can't grip a cup anymore or balance through a turn properly, and they'll suddenly come to regret that decision.

Guys who pressure girls into getting the chop should be ashamed of themselves. YOU may prefer your girls that way, but that doesn't mean it's the best thing for HER. For some girls, it is the best thing, and for others, it's a horrible mistake. Putting your own personal tastes before her physical and mental health is the ultimate in selfish dickheadedness.

If you really cared about someone, you'd support them to be happy with themselves from the inside out, and to hell with the rest.

[rxpharm]

I agree with Doug's point that we should never try to force or convince an lb to have SRS. It is entirely her choice. For those who have had SRS for their personal reasons not due to economic or boyfriend factors, I have found them to be nice, well adjusted and happy ladies.

JD has mentioned in the past that those lbs who know they want to be ladies at a very young age seem to do better after SRS, as opposed to those who were doing it for economic or other reasons.

Other things that add to the mix are the unscrupulous doctors who follow the Thai maxim, Money is No. 1 - and do a poor job so the lb ends up with no sensation, poor cosmetic job, or surgical complications.

Not all doctors are unscrupulous, but there are enough out there to cause problems for lbs who may not be able to afford a better doctor who has good technique.

[Bit Beefy]

(JaiDee @ Jun. 10 2006,17:23) So I met this cute freelancer named Pun one night walking around outside Nana at 11pm or so........it was  October and I was in BKK, just arrived 2 or 3 days before actually.  We chatted....she was just my type like in that poll above; cute, small hormone boobs, nice body, 20 years; basically perfect so we went back to my room [hey, I'm easy].  Cool girl.....she stayed a couple nights and I also saw her again about a week later and she stayed over again; we had become friendly and I liked her.  I never told her what I do for work, she didn't know about the website or nothing and I wasn't working so I didn't ask her to be a model, just a screw. She had just moved to BKK 6 months prior from some Issan hellhole.

        We kinda lost touch.........errr, you know........ anyway, I was travelling a lot and didn't see her again until January; she was in Cascades now, dancing and she hated it.  We  chatted a bit but of course being the superficial dickhead that I am I was turned off by the fact she had now gotten implants and was working in a go-go bar {right, who am *I* to judge?}.  Anyway, I didn't take her out which kinda  saddened her but she got over it im sure; the next and last time I saw her was about a week  later, freelancing again on lower Suk; she said she hated the bar and had to get out.

 OK........fast forward to Songkran, 2006..... April in BKK.  I am there with Koko and the Monkeyman, playing water fights with all the Thai people and having fun.  In that whole crowd Pun and I somehow spot each other and we chatted; she was with 4 or 5 other ladyboys and they went to play also.  An hour later Pun comes back....says she has lost her friends.....  all good I say, hang with us and we even have an extra gun for you and I bought her some sandals for 100 baht because she was now shoe-less.

 Had fun for 2 or 3 more hours till sunset......  Oz met this girl, he even tried to scoop up on her.....his Aussie buddy also..... hey, they have good eyes!  so we leave there now and get a taxi.... Koko in front, and me and Pun and Monkeyman in the back. Small talk follows..... and I ask Pun if she wants to come to the room for a shower and some new clothes? Innocent question, you know...... I mean,  we are all soaking wet and look like hell, a hot shower is what everyone wants at this time.   Plus.... ya, all right....she was hot, OK??

  So now Koko is in the front seat and giggling..... I say to her 'what's so funny' and Koko says to Pun that she should tell me something.  Pun says, 'you know JD, since the last time you see me now I am "cut" lady. I have operation 2 months ago, now I lady'.  OK, cool.....so she is cut, that's, errrr, ummmm.....fine.....with me.  But still a bit uncomfortable in the car now, you know?  I mean, she just shocked me with this out of nowhere but  Koko already knew.......me and Monkeyman just heard it for the first time.

 So I ask her about the whole deal...once the shock wore off I was just plain curious.....   turns out she met some joker from France who wanted her to be cut and to be his wife, etc..... and not be a ladyboy anymore.  I said "do you love this guy or what?"  she says...."not really; he is just OK....now I  think I make big mistake na?"  Ummmm.......ya, well maybe.  But we keep talking and she says that some guy fell for her quickly and was in love and wanted to be with her forever, etc..... and she wanted to do what he wanted for the both of them, and that was to turn her into a lady. So she did it....and now is telling me  that it was a mistake and she wished she had never done it, and they were finished now,  etc........ if you think the car was uncomfortable before it was really bad now, like being at a funeral.

  So we get to the room......  by now all thoughts of sex were on hold of course and the weirdness of the whole last hour are still sinking in, but in any case  she was there just for a shower. I offered her some dry clothes, and she certainly could have stayed with us 3 and hung out; I was curious to hear more and she is so sweet and quiet and nice, etc....   but she just put back on her soaking wet clothes and said she had to get home to bed and was tired, etc.... I think also embarassed and maybe felt a little strange around me now, we had discussed post-op's months earlier and she knew my postition on that whole deal.

     Last spotted [with Monkeyman again] on Sukhimvit, May 2006.....working as a Lady. A sad lady  

Blimey... How is she now? I mean mentally? What i mean is she hasnt joined the list of a few who have gone a little

[post-op lover]

Hmm, it is certainly sad. But, I don't feel that it is unlike the cases of women who get implants to please their BFs or customers; girls who get pimped; girls who have a baby or an abortion, just because their BF says so but then he leaves her; anyone who takes drugs because of peer pressure, etc.

The others are sometimes reversible, sometimes not. It is surgery, all surgeries carry risks and are reversible. However, one could also take some time to point out the positive aspects - she is, in fact and in law (at least outside Thailand, I'm still unclear on the Thai situation), a lady, and can marry someone. She has more legal rights in most countries as a lady than as a LB. Of course other girls should be warned, but this girl's situation isn't helped by bemoaning the past and instead giving counsel for the future. Frankly, it would be retarded to sit around over the past. JD, I'm a little surprised that as smart and caring as you are, you didn't seem to comment on what the future holds for her. What's done is done - the die is cast.

I'm sure we've all seen friends who lost a family member, who lost a job, or had some other tragedy befall them. For how long do you remind them of this, and when do you begin to help them move on and think to the future? Maybe their tragedy can be a lesson to others (be careful when riding a motorcycle, stop smoking, beware of drug using boyfriends, whatever), but life is long and there are many things ahead.

Maybe this particular girl should be counseled for GID. If she is diagnosed as more comfortable as a woman, then she needs help there. If she needs to return to a masculine identity, she needs help w/ surgery and readjustment. There are many men out there who have lost their penises from various accidents, mutilations, and diseases. I'm sure it's traumatic for all, and that some counseling protocols exist.

I won't waste time on arguments over who was right or wrong, whose decision it was, etc. Instead, let's get on with the future for this girl, and consider what this example implies in other cases.

POL

[Guest]

(post-op lover @ Jun. 11 2006,00:55) Hmm, it is certainly sad.  But, I don't feel that it is unlike the cases of women who get implants to please their BFs or customers; girls who get pimped; girls who have a baby or an abortion, just because their BF says so but then he leaves her; anyone who takes drugs because of peer pressure, etc.

The others are sometimes reversible, sometimes not.  It is surgery, all surgeries carry risks and are reversible.  However, one could also take some time to point out the positive aspects - she is, in fact and in law (at least outside Thailand, I'm still unclear on the Thai situation), a lady, and can marry someone.  She has more legal rights in most countries as a lady than as a LB.  Of course other girls should be warned, but this girl's situation isn't helped by bemoaning the past and instead giving counsel for the future.  Frankly, it would be retarded to sit around      over the past.  JD, I'm a little surprised that as smart and caring as you are, you didn't seem to comment on what the future holds for her.  What's done is done - the die is cast.

I'm sure we've all seen friends who lost a family member, who lost a job, or had some other tragedy befall them.  For how long do you remind them of this, and when do you begin to help them move on and think to the future?  Maybe their tragedy can be a lesson to others (be careful when riding a motorcycle, stop smoking, beware of drug using boyfriends, whatever), but life is long and there are many things ahead.

Maybe this particular girl should be counseled for GID.  If she is diagnosed as more comfortable as a woman, then she needs help there.  If she needs to return to a masculine identity, she needs help w/ surgery and readjustment.  There are many men out there who have lost their penises from various accidents, mutilations, and diseases.  I'm sure it's traumatic for all, and that some counseling protocols exist.

I won't waste time on arguments over who was right or wrong, whose decision it was, etc.  Instead, let's get on with the future for this girl, and consider what this example implies in other cases.

POL

A little different to implants POL. The gender re-assignment is not reversible. So your analogy is a little off. We all do things to please the ones we care about or the the ones that we love. However when it comes to life altering decisions I would say the decision is entirely about the individual.

Yes what's done is done in this case. She seemed like a great girl and at least when I saw her she had a very bubbly personality. I think though when the discussion took place in the taxi reality hit home and she realised what she had done.

I am not sure she really cares that she might be considered a lady outside of Thailand as she has admitted she did it for all the wrong reasons and it has nothing to do with her wanting to be a lady but rather her boyfriends perception of what a lady is.

[Guest]

I'm sorry to say, but I think this is near the majority, i.e., I think most of the girls I talked to her were about to or did get the chop did it because either a current moron foreigner, or a future moron foreigner.

To be sure they have an inkling of maybe doing it, but the "foreigner" boyfriend is the push that takes them over.

Honestly, having talked to so many like this, including a girl in KC3 who told me the exact same story on Friday, I think most are not mentally capable of making this decision at these young ages. They should be prevented from the chop until at least 25 or so when they're a little more mature and the farang desire is a little tempered.

[Bit Beefy]

I see ure point POL but i just think a decison like that should be made on a wim, have ure tackle cut off is not like getting a tattoo done when ure drunk and waking up and saying oh shit but as i said i see ure point... BUT as ozzie said im sure she hasnt given much thought to what rights she now holds as a lady...

[Guest]

(doug @ Jun. 10 2006,16:01)  Unfortunately, many doctors without scrupples just take the money and do the chop (without explaining the possible dangers from infection, nerve damage, hormonal imbalance, emotional trauma, etc....).

It is, after all, an amputation.  

This is what pisses me off more than anything...... these so-called "Doctors" who do these botched jobs, and I will always put their title in quotations because they are not real Docs, they are opportunistic quacks looking to get wealthy off confused, gender dysphunctional young Thai males.


These fucking guys.... they get no respect from me nor should they from anyone else, I would't even call them Doctor or shake their hand or even give them  a Wai, a typical sign of respect that should usually be given to  Thai people who took the time to go to medical school for a decade. I would prefer to Wai the cleaning lady or a bangkok street begger than one of these butchers.


          And to think.....for 2000US dollars they can change your life!  "I can Turn you into a lady! And yes, of course you will still have feelings there and can cum, I am the great "Doctor" who can change your gender for 2 grand in 2 hours and  can make you into a lady!  trust me,!"

 Fucking assholes should all be in prison......  Beefy, you asked how she is doing now and I really don't know.  we crossed paths in May around Suk soi 7 and she looked great, tight black cocktail dress and nice smile, etc...... she was walking around looking for dates.  I would have liked to chat with her but we were heading somewhere {guess}.  As for how she is doing and how she feels now....I think the answer is obvious.

[Bit Beefy]

Well its no consolation but hopefully shes getting customers and making ££££££££

[Guest]

Oh, and just in case there is doubt in anyone's mind, people who have this operation can NEVER have an orgasm again. They will tell you that they can, they may even think that they can [this is pure wishful thinking of course], and they may be great actresses, but they can not; simple.

Any Doctor who can amputate someone's vital sexual organ and then make some dry hole with severed nerve endings into something that can produce an orgasm deserves the Nobel prize for medicine, especially in the 2 or 3 hours that they do this operation. But they can't........ it's all smoke and mirror's and these people are ruining the future's of hundreds of young Thai males across Thailand each and every month.

Fucking dinks....I hate these guys almost as much as I hate extortionists.