How safe is giving oral without a condom?

[Guest]

Like many on here, I love to give oral to a w/e ladyboy. How safe is this without a condom? I've always used a condom in the past, but would much prefer not to. I am in a relationship, so I don't want to risk catching something, but if it is a very minimal chance I might try it for a couple mins!

Getting info on this sort of thing is very hard.

[Guest]

rogersause,

There's been mixed results from scientific studies amongst the world medical community. They base analysis a several different medical studies, yet most medical observations are somewhat inconclusive.

One fact has been uncovered is that the mucous in human saliva
kills the HIV virus immediately upon contact, and if the virus passes into the throat on into your stomach, the acids in your stomach will certainly destroy the HIV virus.

One finding is that HIV is found in human blood cells, in which blood cells are found in semen and human bodily fluids.

To answer your question:
Like many on here, I love to give oral to a w/e ladyboy. How safe is this without a condom?

The answer is giving oral to anyone without a condom is very risky if you have bleeding gums, or severe gum disease and or open sores in your mouth. The disease can be contracted if someone with HIV cums in your mouth with any of the mentioned above. Human blood cells are inside human semen and that comes into direct contact with the possible blood in your mouth.

The things to make sure of is that there are no open lesions, wounds, scabs, or blood on the penis that you will be giving oral stimulation.

All in all, if you decide to do it without a condom, please follow these steps.

1. Do not brush your teeth before or after oral copulation, as this can make your gums tender and possibly bleed.

2. If you have braces, abstain from oral as the braces can cause a tear of skin tissue on a penis.

3. Immediately after oral sex rinse your mouth with a hydrogen peroxide solution or a mild strength mouthwash.

4. Rinse your mouth thoroughly, as this will kill any bacteria that's hiding in your mouth along with the help of your mouth saliva.

5. Follow your heart and instinct and look for cautionary signs such as body sores in and around the gential areas. Open red bumps that have leaking fluid, etc. Be careful.

One thing is for sure is that it nearly impossible to determine HIV positive individuals by sheer looks.

Hope this helps

Asiaboy

[Guest]

Hope that helps--you are like the Surgeon General for Ladyboy sex

[Guest]

i have a few TS porn dvds and they often give covered oral. i don't think i've ever seen this with straight porn. it makes me wonder why? do they know something we don't or are they just being overly cautious? just a thought.

[gunslinger]

Hope that helps--you are like the Surgeon General for Ladyboy sex

haha, maybe we should have an ask the doctor forum here

[Guest]

Oral Sex Is Not Considered Safe Sex

A number of studies have demonstrated that oral sex can result in the transmission of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs).


Oral Sex and the Risk of HIV Transmission

The risk of HIV transmission from an infected partner through oral sex is much smaller than the risk of HIV transmission from anal or vaginal sex. Because of this, measuring the exact risk of HIV transmission as a result of oral sex is very difficult. In addition, since most sexually active individuals practice oral sex in addition to other forms of sex, such as vaginal and/or anal sex, when transmission occurs, it is difficult to determine whether or not it occurred as a result of oral sex or other more risky sexual activities. Finally, several co-factors can increase the risk of HIV transmission through oral sex, including: oral ulcers, bleeding gums, genital sores, and the presence of other STDs.

When scientists describe the risk of transmitting an infectious disease, like HIV, the term "theoretical risk" is often used. Very simply, "theoretical risk" means that passing an infection from one person to another is possible, even though there may not yet be any actual documented cases. "Theoretical risk" is not the same as likelihood. In other words, stating that HIV infection is "theoretically possible" does not necessarily mean it is likely to happen-only that it might. Documented risk, on the other hand, is used to describe transmission that has actually occurred, been investigated, and documented in the scientific literature.

Various scientific studies have been performed around the world to try and document and study instances of HIV transmission through oral sex. A programme in San Francisco studied 198 people, nearly all gay or bisexual men. The subjects stated that they had only had oral sex for a year, from six months preceding the six-month study to its end. 20 per cent of the study participants, 39 people, reported performing oral sex on partners they knew to be HIV positive. 35 of those did not use a condom and 16 reported swallowing cum. No-one became HIV positive during the study. Due to the low number of unprotected serodiscordant pairings, all that can be said is that there was a less than 2.8 per cent chance of infection through oral sex over a year. In 2000, a different San Francisco study of gay men who had recently acquired HIV infection found that 7.8 per cent of these infections were attributed to oral sex. However, the results of the study have since been called into question due to the reliability of the participant's data.

In June 2002, a study conducted amongst 135 HIV-negative Spanish heterosexuals, who were in a sexual relationship with a person who was HIV-positive, reported that over 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex had not lead to any cases of HIV transmission. The study also looked at contributing factors that could effect the potential transmission of HIV through oral sex. They monitored viral load and asked questions such as whether ejaculation in the mouth occurred and how good oral health was. Amongst HIV-positive men, 34 per cent had ejaculated into the mouths of their partners. Viral load levels were available for 60 people in the study, 10 per cent of whom had levels over 10,000 copies. Nearly 16 per cent of the HIV-positive people had CD4 counts below 200. The study, conducted over a ten year period between 1990 and 2000, adds to the growing number of studies which suggest varying levels of risk of HIV transmission from oral sex when compared to anal or vaginal intercourse.

At the 4th International Oral AIDS Conference held in South Africa, the risk of transmission through oral sex was estimated to be approximately 0.04 per cent per contact. This percentage figure is a lot lower than the two American figures, because this figure is a risk per contact percentage, whereas the other figures are percentage risks over much longer time periods. Oral sex is still regarded as a low-risk sexual activity in terms of HIV transmission, but only when more work is done will we be clearer as to the risks of oral sex.

http://www.avert.org/orlsx.htm#q8

Source: This page is based on the Centers For Disease Control Factsheet, "Preventing the Sexual Transmission of HIV, the Virus that Causes AIDS: What You Should Know about Oral Sex" (December 2000) with some editing by Annabel Kanabus and Ben Hills-Jones

[thaibound]

3. Immediately after oral sex rinse your mouth with a hydrogen peroxide solution or a mild strength mouthwash.

4. Rinse your mouth thoroughly, as this will kill any bacteria that's hiding in your mouth along with the help of your mouth saliva.

I do this and have been doing so for over two years, since it was suggested to me by a friend via an HIV researcher. I have even shown the bottle of hydrogen peroxide (readily and cheaply available at most pharmacies throughout LOS) to several of the girls I've been with and suggested that, as a rule, they do the same. So far, only one has actually tried it. BTW, rinse and spit. Do NOT swallow!

But I have a question: Sometimes rinsing "immediately" is out of the question. Some sessions which "begin" with oral sex then continue for quite some time.

Is there ANY data/opinion on how long after "contact" such a rinsing would still be "effective"? Is waiting until session ends in an hour (or two?) pushing it? BTW, I'm told the hydrogen peroxide (1/2 & 1/2 w/water) is much more effective than most mouthwashes in this regard. But that might be apocraphyl opinion. It's the timeframe beyond "immediate" that concerns me. Just fyi, so far so good with this contraceptive technique.

Neither I nor a single ladyboy have gotten pregnant. Sorry, I KNEW someone would say that, so I just threw it in.

[BAM]

One thing for sure is to maintain good dental hygiene.. Because having bleeding gums is not a good thing for many other reasons too. If you find that when you floss you have some blood this is not because you're flossing too hard it's because you're not flossing enough. Your gums are bleeding because you have infections around your teeth cause by stuck food, tarter, and plack. If you floss everyday the bleeding should stop. Having infections in your mouth will cause your jaw bone to dissolve over time eventually leaving you with teeth falling out. See your dentist for a cleaning twice a year and besides brushing floss your teeth every day.

As for oral sex don't brush or floss you 2 hours before and 2 hours after sex.

[Guest]

I'm lost. What does the hydrogen peroxide do? I understand it kills bacteria, but if it was that easy to kill HIV, I don't understand why this isn't the miracle drug. I would have thought if you have HIV blood cells, in semen, in your mouth, either they enter your blood stream (through sores) or not. And putting hydrogen peroxide would not affect that process. No?

This is slightly tangential, but a good friend of mine told me he caught herpes from some LB several years ago, and suffers from it constantly when he is stressed. That's the first time I heard of herpes in the Thai LB community. I am guessing there is NO protective way to avoid herpes if your partner has it is there (except for looking to see if she is having a case of it that particular day)?

[zeppo]

As for oral sex don't brush or floss you 2 hours before and 2 hours after sex.

Bam ... I was told by a doctor a couple of years back that the optimum time is 3 hours, both before and after.
This gives time for the "micro tears" caused by brushing to heal before giving oral or time for saliva to fully cleanse the mouth after oral so when these tears do occur, there's nothing left to cause possible infection.

[Guest]

Look here fellas - for fucks sake it is really simple.

Why oh why take the risk of catching HIV or anything else for that matter ? The jury is out on catching HIV through oral though whatever the argument a fruit flavoured condom over her willy is a SMALL price to pay when potentially your life maybe on the line !!!!

I really can't see the problem at all. Me I don't want to die of HIV/AIDS period and I want to fuck ladyboys till i'm in my 70's hopefully !! So if that means taking a simple and quick precaution to ensure my pleasure into old age so be it !!!

Frankly in this day and age with all the info out there any dickhead who goes bareback or does not practice safe sex deserves to fucking die !! I know that sounds harsh but not practising safe sex is both irresponsible and a death sentence for an innocent person. We all fuck in the same pool more or less so the more responsible you are the safer we all are. Just consider this - all the superstars out there such as Areeya, Lyla, Natalie, and Chompoo - how many cocks do they get up there ass every night ? You would be shocked trust me and how many of us have partaken of said asses in a moment of weakness or simple dream conquest ? It just takes 1 dickhead to infect those gals and yes it then could quite easily be you next !! It is not so improbable as you think.

I'm absolutely sure that the guys up here that go to thailand regular probably do end up fucking the same girls. Jeez I would love to know how many members up here have fucked say Chompoo or Arreya for example ?

I have fucked both for starters any others out there.......?

Inde

[Guest]

I think we agree indefatiguable. The question was, is there a totally safe way to do oral. It's a fair question. The answers are pretty good to that simple question.

[Guest]

Yes SIMPLE - use a CONDOM period ! No worries then.

[BAM]

You sometimes got to put things into prospective. I'm sure it's 10,000 times more likely you'll die in a traffic accident in Thailand then from sucking a cock.
But does this stop you from hopping on the back of a motor bike with no helmet on?

[zeppo]

another consoderation is the reason why I had to ask my doctor ... the condom broke ... so a little preventative action and the use of a condom is the best way to go ...