Ladyboys !

[Wethair]

Totally agree with everything.

So this is out of the blue, but, I love sports. I haven't done any with a LB. Anyone know if, after all those horomones, they keep their musculature strength to be good in sports? I'm guessing yes, but it's only a guess.

Ask for Odet in Obsession.

She has a fit body and are strong as hell......

[Guest]

All of the above but also they don't have that always hidden agenda of getting themselves pregnant. Whether a GG admits it or not it's part of their eventual plan. Not that I'm saying that LB's don't want kids, it's just that you don't wake up some morning to the unexpected news that the period's been missed and you've got a twenty year obligation coming.

[Guest]

Ok, so please tell me what is wrong with a LB. Great sex, good body, good in sports, doesn't want kids??

BTW, I ask many LBs about kids, and, I have to say, as a generalization, most don't really care too much about having kids, even when I mention adoption.

[Road Runner]

BTW, I ask many LBs about kids, and, I have to say, as a generalization, most don't really care too much about having kids, even when I mention adoption.

Hello Ziggy,

I have to disagree with you there.

'Herself' wants kids - dreams about kids and is good with kids.

That is one thing I wish could be changed      

RR.

[Guest]

Here's a really wild idea which I've discussed with my current squeeze:

We are getting rather good with genetic manipulation these days so what's to eventually stop us from selecting a cell from your life partner and forcing it into meiosis. That's the sexual resegregation of the chromasomes into nuclear packages like egg nuclei.

Select out only those which have X chromasomes since she is the girl and would only contribute an X anyway. The Y versions get discarded. You then take one of your sperm and let the two sets of haploid chromasomes merge, forming the nuclear material of a new person.

If you give her an X you get a girl child. If you give her a Y you get a boy. This nuclear package gets inserted into an egg that has had its own nuclear material removed. Egg is then implanted into a surrogate mother. Growth and division begins. Eventually nine months later your surrogate gives birth to a child who is truly yours and your mate's genetic offspring.

Think that's farfetched? It's a lot closer than you might imagine.

My lady says no way. She really hasn't any interest in kids. Good thing too because I'd probably die before they finished college.

[stogie bear]

BTW, I ask many LBs about kids, and, I have to say, as a generalization, most don't really care too much about having kids, even when I mention adoption.

Hello Ziggy,

I have to disagree with you there.

'Herself' wants kids - dreams about kids and is good with kids.

That is one thing I wish could be changed      

RR.

A lot of the ladyboys that I prefer to hang out with have strong maternal instincts that are indistinguishable from a real girls.

It's probably true to say that young people don't think too much about raising kids but I'll wager that in their dreams they are happily married with kids making packed lunches and handing the old man his umbrella on the way out the front door in the morning.

(Most) Ladyboys would make great mothers.

(I'm not including girls on the game, of course. I'm not saying they wouldn't make great mums, but I don't think it's fair to make a generalization about ladyboys that includes prositutes, the same way I wouldn't generalise about regular girls and include bargirls in that statement. It's another subject.)

[Mai-Kee]

I absolutely agree! All the non-pro's I've met were extremely caring and crazy about children. I can remember one who actually raised the 2 children of her younger sister. She was that time in her early thirties and back home (actually an ex-pro - maybe the exception...?) from Nana and her sister who was about 19 (already with 2 kids!!!) has that time just started over there. When I met her in a small village near Korat, she was already living 2 years with her parents and the 2 children loved her. She was a great mom and a real loveable person!

MK

[Guest]

I have to agree that when I see LBs with kids they are indistinguishable from how ladies react.

But when I ask them would they like kids, it's usually this neutral or even negative reaction. Maybe your'e right, it's just the "it's so unlikely" feeling that they have never thought about it seriously.

Starwheel, I'm lost. What you described sounds like vanilla test tude babies. Is there somelthing different there?

[Guest]

What you described sounds like vanilla test tude babies. Is there somelthing different there?

Well, Ziggy, if your ladyboy still makes viable sperm, you could harvest a nucleus from one that contained an X chromasome. That cell would contain one-half the genetic material required for a new person. Then you would merge that with the nuclear material from one of your sperm (X or Y depending on what sex you wanted). That becomes the beginning of your child.

If your ladyboy no longer makes viable gametes or sperm cells (which is common after extended or early estrogen hormone use) you can use a regular cell nucleus of hers and stimulate it to undergo meiosis which would yield the necessary one half. Since your ladyboy has both X and Y chromasomes you would have to be careful not to take a gamete with a Y or you'd get a cell that is YY and not viable. You could of course use one of her Y's and one of your X's as well for a male child with her male characteristics.

A typical "test tube baby" is the result of a sperm and an egg from a man and a woman. The egg is harvested from the woman and fertilized "in vitro", in a Petri dish, then returned to the mother's womb to develop.

What I'm talking about requires the extra steps of harvesting genetic material from what are really two males, placing the merged genetic material in an egg divested of its nuclear material, and then going on to the standard implantation in a surrogate mother.

[Looker]

Wow starwheel! Are you working in a lab???

Anyway..of the reasons I can think of for myself..well..I've given up and likely are similar to most of yours.

I had a friend instead who gave me a very peculiar reason. When we went to Thailand together some 5 years ago, we went to Phuket for some diving and at night time we found ourselves at the infamous soi and in the club at the end of it. Well..I immediately recognized that was a lb's place and I was afraid my friend, a gentleman in his mid 50's, would have punched me for having brought him in there.
Instead, I noticed that he was very pleased by the environemnt, so much that we ended up getting 2 lb's and going alltogether to the room.

He is a divorced man with lots of family problem and an hefty monthly fee to "donate" to his ex, who is a rich woman btw, and doesn't need any support (da biatch!!!!).
He is quite upset with women in general, for what his wife has done to him, and considering them as just walking holes. He said are like Cleanex, use and throw!!
By going with a lb, he feels like he is further mocking and scorning them! By fucking women, who are actualy men, it's like he doesn't really need the Female sex in this worls...well, that's his view!
I know..it sounds complex and I do not have the literary ability in English of some of you guys, so excuse if it's not so clear.

[Guest]

Seems to me the new part in your idea is the "egg divested of its nuclear material", I think, meaning it does not provide a chromosone. This is the part that cannot be done today, correct? And who provides the egg? The surrogate mother?

[Guest]

Seems to me the new part in your idea is the "egg divested of its nuclear material", I think, meaning it does not provide a chromosone. This is the part that cannot be done today, correct? And who provides the egg? The surrogate mother?

Nope, because Dolly the famous first cloned sheep was created with an egg that had its nuclear material removed. Dolly's parent donated a complete set of nuclear material from a gut cell which became the blueprint of the new animal. Therefore Dolly was an exact genetic copy of her "mother". Any cloned animal made these days (and there have been lots from multiple different species, but not human as far as I know) requires such an egg to receive the nuclear material from the animal to be cloned. It need not be from the surrogate mother at all and likely won't be. There are other considerations as to the egg donor in the realm of mitochondrial DNA that gets passed but that's a whole different thread.

The original idea here is that two genetic males are actually having a baby made from their own DNA. But not a clone of any sort because the nuclear material has been shuffled in the meiotic process resulting in a very unique new individual comprised of a patchwork of genetic portions of his (her) parents.

Would work equally as well for two gay guys or two gay women (although the women could only produce female children). It offers true parenthood to any pair who wishes to have genetic offspring.

I kind of like the idea because it means that genetic women have lost their monopoly on control of our reproductive destinies. If you truly love your ladyboy and truly want a family of your own genetic heritage, it's possible. Genetic women are reduced to simple gestational vessels. And someday, true "test tube" babies will probably be possible with the entire pregnancy taking place in an artificial womb.

This is all strictly speculation, but it is based on very solid scientific principals. It only requires some very reasonable extensions of what is already done to become reality.

So if you and May want some of your own rug rats someday you will be able to. I might suggest the following though if this really appeals: cryo store some of her viable sperm now as the meiotic process is already complete and you shortcut one difficult step in the process. It will be there when you need a gamete. Cheers.

[Guest]

Fascinating thought, Starwheel - thanks

As I read this post, I was wondering - understanding that many of us are NOT inclined to father a child at this point in our lives...

...which of your favorite LBs would YOU consider as a suitable genetic partner / parent of a child (were that to be your desire)?