Long term relationship

[Mai-Kee]

We all have a brain of equal size, two arms and two legs..'nuff said!

PS: ..... and we all definitely do NOT have a brain of the same size and if we would all have the ability to use our arms and legs the same way we'd all paint like Leonardo and play soccer like Ronaldo....

[Guest]

I feel like im back in school....when is lunch break?

[Guest]

. . .Everybody is different! So, if Kui did make it, great, but that doesn't mean that others can. Some might not be that bright, don't have a character which is strong enough, are maybe labile, or too sensitive, or whatever... and that doesn't go only for LB's of course. . .

There's an interesting and controversial book published four or five years ago by some heavy academics (Herrnstein & Murray) called "The Bell Curve". It demonstrates very clearly (extremely well footnoted with scientific studies) that individual intelligence is spread rather nicely along a curve with a relatively few really smart ones on one end and a relatively small number of really dumb ones on the other. In between is the large hump of average people. Depending on where your luck put you on the curve will determine to a large extent how successful you'll be in life, assuming that you didn't get saddled with some personality defect or psychosis.

[kaos]

Well I can say that when I was with my girlfriend in her home... a shelter with nothing but a lot of spiders and cockroaches big as mice (the worse thing is that the spiders are bigger than the beattles) ... water from the well (damn cold water for my first time in thai)... in the nite no lights... this doesnt give you much opportunities in the life... add the fact that you are a lb and probably the all the village is laughing at you...this doesnt help you too much in self esteem.
So the easy way to demonstrate to your parents relatives friends everyone that you have a value that you are not a human being of 2nd level is to sell your ass to farang... because for a lb its very very difficult to find a job (here in thai like everywhere in the world).
Maybe to come back in the village with a farang and to show them that you managed to get upper than them... a sort of revenge.
I never met a lb working in the prostitution market that comes from a rich family, thats says a lot.

[Stewart]

one word; Job.

3 words - equality of opportunity

If everyone has the same sized brain, and had equal intelligence, and had equal opportunity, then maybe you have a point....but they don't

[Looker]

There's an interesting and controversial book published four or five years ago by some heavy academics (Herrnstein & Murray) called "The Bell Curve".  It demonstrates very clearly (extremely well footnoted with scientific studies) that individual intelligence is spread rather nicely along a curve with a relatively few really smart ones on one end and a relatively small number of really dumb ones on the other.  In between is the large hump of average people.  Depending on where your luck put you on the curve will determine to a large extent how successful you'll be in life, assuming that you didn't get saddled with some personality defect or psychosis.

Absolutely!
Talking with a number of friends..from successful artist to PhD in psychology, I can definitely come to the same conclusion as starwheel.
Basically, it is yes important to have some talent but what it makes the most is hardworking and then luck or chance or whatever you like to call it. We managed to make up a non-scientific motto that says:
It's 30% about talent, 20% luck and 50% hard work.
Having assumed that with the hard work you've already been seeking for chances and partially overriden the luck factor.
My previous posting about the equally sized brains and the pressence of all of the 4 limbs was referring to the fact that some people even if they have that 30% of talent they won't move a finger!

[Tomcat]

and belive me its really hard.

It is hard Kaos , thats a straight fact , no doubt about it but i think one is forgetting that Thailand is a third world country and hence it has to make the transition to the first world.
There is no fast track......

Hence you have to accept all that comes with being a third world country.... poverty, cheapness of life, mass corruption.

Not going to change any time soon..

[Guest]

Kui and  Anna the Traffic Stopper and Snick's girlfriend {X}  and Ziggy's twins are but 5 examples of ladyboys who rose from poor conditions and went through university and dealt with all the adverse conditions of being a ladyboy in Thailand and yet ended up with real jobs and careers and not hooking and of course there are thousands of others.   and since I agree with Starwheel that the 'curve' can be applied to about 90% of us, so it can also be applied to ladyboys working in bars or working real jobs; we all have met some of these bar girls who are extremely smart and have phenomenal memories, and they are certainly every bit as intelligent as the girls mentioned above.

   key difference; laziness and greed.  some would rather lie on their backs and make the easy 30-40K per month having their various orrafice's filled nightly  while some would prefer not to do that and make the 10-20K and have a real job.

[stogie bear]

one word;  Job.

3 words - equality of opportunity...

Wrong...

One word - ambition.

If you saw the rusted corrugated shack that Kui was raised in and her brain damaged mother who raised her then you'd not make such a remark.

Terrific thread this...

For me - sexual preference is decided long before you are born. However; sexual behaviour is decided long after!

[Stewart]

words - equality of opportunity...
Wrong...
One word - ambition.
If you saw the rusted corrugated shack that Kui was raised in and her brain damaged mother who raised her then you'd not make such a remark.

Equality of opportunity is a big factor. I stand by my comments. I did not say there were no exceptions to any rule

[Mai-Kee]

For me - sexual preference is decided long before you are born. However; sexual behaviour is decided long after!

Very interesting that you split sexual preference from sexual behavior. Never came across that approach, but it sounds worth a second thought!

MK

[Phantom]

I have read the replies,every day,most of which are thoughts that have gone through my mind a thousand times before i decided to have a relationship.
If i was replying to someone who had asked same question as me,i would probably not be as polite as most of you,i think having a relationship with a lady is crazy,let alone a ladyboy.
I met her on the internet,then in real life,we soon became very good friends,and when we are not together we talk on the net most the night.
I was not looking for a relationship,i was very happy living alone,and always said i had become selfish and would not want to share my house with anyone again,especially the tv remote,but this relationship just happened.
I know its crazy,but sometimes we all do crazy things,and i know i will regret it if i do not see where this goes.
I would need to write a book for you all to understand us both,but i am sure if you met us,you would not think us completely insane,just 90% lol
Good luck Kaos hope it works out.
Thankyou guys for all the advice,and some very interesting thoughts,the replies have made me think of many angles i had not previously thought of.
I will keep you posted.

[jellybean]

words - equality of opportunity...
Wrong...
One word - ambition.
If you saw the rusted corrugated shack that Kui was raised in and her brain damaged mother who raised her then you'd not make such a remark.

Equality of opportunity is a big factor. I stand by my comments. I did not say there were no exceptions to any rule

I'd say your both right and I'd add to that courage and confidence....to take the opportunity when it is presented.

To give up an environment they know they can make good money in for themselves and their families and risk short-term earnings for long term security.

For many of these girls, they only have a basic education, from the age of 12 they are expected to work (in fields, shops, factories) for their family and by the time they are in their twenties many of them are the main wage earner for their families. Their families simply cannot afford to wait until these girls are 22 - 23 to start contributing to the family. They need the money now, to buy seed for next years rice crop, for medicine.

[Guest]

[QUOTE= (stogie bear @ Aug. 23 2005,13:32)][quote=jellybean,Aug. 23 2005,04:59]

......There are millions of beautiful Thai girls with good hearts and there are tens of thousands of genuinely loving (and lovable) ladyboys who will rock your world.

You WILL NOT find them working in bars.

Agree or disagree... I'd be interested in any comments.

Firstly, thanks all for such an interesting and intelligently discussed thread. Lots of insight.

Regarding the above, my question is :

When is a working girl NOT a working girl ?

There are bar girls, and regular lb working a real job, but what about those that do the occasional customer to 'supplement' their income ? Would you still consider these as 'working' and hence subject to all the usual caveats and warnings ?

I'd be interested to hear your comments.

[Guest]

from Harvard..... isn't this paragraph enough to put this all to rest and realize that we will never actually know? they are saying as of late April that no one knows for sure and that a 'smoking gun' will never be found; that is good enough for me.



  " Despite the hype, research has not been conclusive. Scientists have been unable to replicate the results of any studies directly linking genetics to homosexuality, and many doubt that a "smoking gun" will ever be found. Instead, the emerging scientific consensus is that both biological and environmental factors, working in concert, determine sexuality. As science writer Matt Ridley put it in this year's book Nature via Nurture, "The absurd distinction between reversible nurture and inevitable nature has now been well and truly buried.""

Harvard Univ.  weighs in on  Nature VS Nurture

I am sure there are many examples of each but watching 60 minutes on Australian TV tonight I saw some very strong cases for nature as opposed to nurture.

One guy who had his penis pretty much burnt off during a circumcision gone terribly wrong was raised as a women as a very young child. David Reimer