Have you ever talked with a lb?

[kaos]

Well guys
i know that maybe this topic wont interest most of the chaps here, but its worth to try.
I start with something of mine.
When I was 20 I met a beautiful brasilian LB, she was cute small and darky...sweet as honey.
She was the first transgender i loved (better to say the first i was attracted by).
At that time I was a crossdesser (just for fun), we met in nite at disco (she understood i wasnt a girl).
Our relation was quite strange, she opened to me and it happened that i didnt see anymore a ladyboy or a girl or a boy but the person that was behind her.
I knew that she started to feel different at 2-3 yr, that her father raped her at 5yrs.
In the school her mates excluded her because he was looking as a girl, when she was 15 a group of boys in her classroom raped her and forced her to quit the school.
From that age she started to hook in the streets, she formed a new family with LBs met in the street (they have their own lingvo, this happens almost everywhere).
She liked to have many costumers that made her felt like a girl...

[Guest]

I find ladyboys lives' to be fascinating, which is why I talk to every one of them that I photograph throughout the whole session, usually about 2 hours or more. I am curious and want to know how they were brought up, what they are thinking about, how they live their lives, what their future plans are, etc..... it also helps me form the basis for my idea's about how ladyboys are made and not born and I have still never seen any proof to the contrary so I judge my thoughts there on the 400+ ladyboys I have "interviewed" over the years.  Some of these girls have fascinating lives and I want to know about it.

  I have also heard the rape stories, the molestation stories, the raised as a girl stories, and so much more; some of these kids leave me shaking my head in amazement when they walk out the door.  Love 'em or hate 'em this sub-culture that we follow is certainly a diverse bunch and have some amazing stories to tell, and I want to hear every one of them.

[kaos]

JD why do you think LBs are made and not born like?
I believe that going into the stages of changing gender is a step that you take only if you feel really akward with you genetic gender.

[Guest]

JD why do you think LBs are made and not born like?

My thoughts on this were well-documented in the cool thread that Ozzie started about ladyboys being born or made to live that lifestyle; check out that poll below or on page 2 and you will find everyone's thoughts.   I still haven't seen anything of actual proof that tells me otherwise.

[kaos]

JD
I've read the thread you mentioned above... well it was interesting.
Its difficult to give an explanation of why a LB born like a LB, everything in science is a model of the reality... like a map of a land, the map will never be the land, but gives you quite good idea of the land.
There are many factors that effect in human nature, but you are a man JD because your gene is XY.
In the LB there is no change in this they still have XY genes to determine their physical sex.
But they have some cromosomes changed (this actually happen to the 2-3% of population worldwide).
Depending on the cromosomes changed you can have different genetic types of sexual disphories, homo, lesbian, bisex, transgender etc.
All this was tracked by a lot of scientists and doctors (you can google the net or you can reffer to wikipedia).
JD there are cases in where the change is in the genes, you can born with 47 genes instead of 46 like XXY and you are defined hermaphrodite (you have both male and female horgans).
You born with 45 like XO, and you dont have any reproductive horgans.
These cases are not frequent but they give you the idea that genetic counts a lot.
I can agree with you that also the enviroment has an effect, but ussually its repressing not ehancing.
Going back to the thread...any other experience on LB talkin?

[Guest]

These cases are not frequent but they give you the idea that genetic counts a lot.

this is the key phrase here...... I have also seen the cases of someone born with more female chromosomes than male and they then become transsexuals or hermophradites; how does this explain homosexuality? and remember, for every scientist or doctor that goes with the nature theory, there are just as many that choose the nurture theory; if there was absolute proof that these people were born and not made that would be the most talked-about subject in science today, kind of on the same par as if someone discovered the cure for AIDS. The fact that we have never heard this theory proven "case-closed" and that it hasn't shown up on CNN yet and every medical journal is a reminder that it is still all speculation; how the hell can someone 'prove' what a child is thinking or in what direction their sexuality will head before they even come out of the womb?

[kaos]

JD its true
but I believe that reason why there are still debate about this is because of some religious "factors".
Its more easy to blame someone and make moralism if you think he made his own choice (its not applying to you JD... i know you have an open mind).
Just to give more examples... gays are almost 20% of population, they are in every level of our society and they come from different families and different environment (i talked about gays cause they are more common).
the environment helps you to repress or express what you are, only in case of survival it can change you completely.

[kaos]

BTW JD there several HIV vaccines in phase 3 of exp. now.
Maybe in less than 5 yrs they will be available... all these vaccines act in the RNA meccanism of HIV (genetic conts again).

[Guest]

JD why do you think LBs are made and not born like?

My thoughts on this were well-documented in the cool thread that Ozzie started about ladyboys being born or made to live that lifestyle; check out that poll below or on page 2 and you will find everyone's thoughts.   I still haven't seen anything of actual proof that tells me otherwise.

I still haven't seen anything of actual proof that tells me otherwise.

And you never will JD. Science can never actually prove anything only disprove it. The way scientific method works is we observe the world around us and based on these observations we formulate theorems. We then create tests to see if our theories are valid. If all our test go as expected we can say that our theory is supported by the results. However if even one test does not go as expected (assuming it has been performed correctly) then either we screwed something up or our theory was wrong in the first place. In order to prove a theory we would have to test all possible situations and we can never be sure that we have not missed one.

Having said all this the longer a theory can go without being dispproved by a incorrect result in a test the higher the probabibility that is a good model to use for future predictions.

[post-op lover]

JD why do you think LBs are made and not born like?

My thoughts on this were well-documented in the cool thread that Ozzie started about ladyboys being born or made to live that lifestyle; check out that poll below or on page 2 and you will find everyone's thoughts.   I still haven't seen anything of actual proof that tells me otherwise.

I still haven't seen anything of actual proof that tells me otherwise.

And you never will JD. Science can never actually prove anything only disprove it. The way scientific method works is we observe the world around us and based on these observations we formulate theorems. We then create tests to see if our theories are valid. If all our test go as expected we can say that our theory is supported by the results. However if even one test does not go as expected (assuming it has been performed correctly) then either we screwed something up or our theory was wrong in the first place. In order to prove a theory we would have to test all possible situations and we can never be sure that we have not missed one.

Having said all this the longer a theory can go without being dispproved by a incorrect result in a test the higher the probabibility that is a good model to use for future predictions.

Very wisely put, Ozzie. It's only recently that I learned that this is the correct way of viewing scientific inquiry.

As for LBs made or born - well, JD is far ahead of me in conversations with LBs. I'm at about 10 or so, and who knows if they're lying to me or not. They all seem to indicate that they were born this way, as do gay friends, but I've never learned how many might have been molested as children, etc. I think it's something they may not want to discuss so soon.

[Guest]

well, this was all chatted about in Ozzie's poll and obviously I am not changing my mind about what I believe until there is 100% proof to change it; Ozzie says that will never come so there is no reason to re-hash my thoughts here and the poll was 70%/30% so it seems I am not the only one to think this way.

to get back to Kaos' original question, yes I think it's cool to talk to ladyboys about their upbringing and what makes them tick; frankly, there is not much else to chat about!  Movies, sports, politics, religion, U.S. history, etc, the things that you talk about with your blokes are pretty much off-limits when with your favorite ladyboy because frankly she wouldn't understand nor does she have any interest.  So the conversations invariably lead to "where do you come from, how old were you when you knew you were a ladyboy, do you have sisters and brothers, what do you do for fun," etc..... and as I say many of the stories I hear are fascinating.

[Guest]

Ive said it before and I will say it agin "you guys think way to much about this"