Missing thread about FF's hero...

[Stewart]

Two heroes!

Fuck me, they are breeding like rabbits!

[manarak]

See how it is useful to have the details?

So it appears that AB didn't send the whole forum story, but just a pic, and he, as I understand it, kinda made sure with the girl that the pic wouldn't be a problem.
So that case is infinitely less damaging than the Kwang hero.
I hope that will teach everyone a lesson about confidentiality and hope that AB will get away with a warning and a lesson well learnt, because he seems to be a nice guy.

Manarak, for one who is so particular about his own personal internet integrity you have just slandered AB with Gusto.
I think you need to retract your posts #4 and 8.

Foxxee, you are not the first one to take aim at me for stating things that finally turn out to be true (take a number after DT, Mr.Arse, ...)
Name me one member I have slandered without being backed by facts.
None?
Did I make my point?

[deepthroat]

No, not really Manarak.

1. The thing that appears to have started this whole obsession was when you were criticized for not accepting personal responsibility for pissing off a ladyboy by posting pictures of her that you promised her you would not. Thus began a quest to "out" others who have been "heroes". Just to ensure we are on the same page, you have further definined "hero" (using your own words) as  

"when someone takes confidential information from the restricted access forum"

and shows it someone outside the forum.

2. You've tried your darndest to pillory Tan, a beloved and respected member here, even though she never stood accused of taking confidential information from a restricted access area of any forum. Even after the member who did have a complaint decided to retire it, you continued to play One Man Vigilante in an attempt to stir up shit for Tan. You've never apologized for it. I won't comment about your comments on other boards (which you seem more than willing to do here with regards to other people) as I don't believe it's right to take someone's comments from ANY forum and reprint them on a different forum without their permission.

3. As I've been alluding, you took information from another forum and posted it VERBATIM to this forum, without any permission from it's original author, and said that this was ok because it wasn't taken from a "restricted access area" of that forum. Let me just say right now, I'm not ok with you taking anything I've ever said anywhere on this or any other forum, and reposting it anywhere without my permission. That shouldn't need saying but you apparently need to hear it. It appears that perhaps you think "intent" is the issue of concern, but I think we're about to find out that this is not a simple enough guideline to use.

4. Now that AB has been unmasked as (innocently) revealing information from the "restricted access area" of this forum to a ladyboy, the argument has come full circle. Is this about the intent to harm? If so, then AB should be exonerated, as should Tan, as should you. But if this is about taking information from our forum which is intended for one audience, and sharing it with others without permission, then I think you and AB should both be held accountable and to the same standard.

AB, now I'll come to you. Love you dude, your enthusiasm is infectious. But this is just plain stupid. I don't think you have an evil or ill-intent bone in your body, but you GOTTA slow down and use that thing that's lodged between your ears. Let me repeat to you the same thing I just said to Manarak, and which shouldn't need saying at all but apparently does:

DO NOT EVER TAKE ANYTHING I POST ON THIS FORUM AND SHOW/COPY/READ/REPEAT IT TO ANYONE OUTSIDE OF THIS FORUM, EVER, FOR ANY REASON.

Ok, now - can we all just get along? Manarak, are you willing to start to take personal responsibility for yourself and stop playing policeman?

Look, you've been a long-standing and valued member of this forum, and we all have to find a way to put up with each other's ticks. Whether it's me and my argumentative nature and obsession with long tongues, or you with their attention to detail and love of bbq, or AB and his lack of mental clarity when the desire to "charge" a lovely ladyboy takes over all rational thought - we all just have to find a way to get along.

I'd like to ask you to start to become a bit self-aware, and recognize that this witch hunt you are on will survive, if it is merited, without you leading the torchlight parade. Let others carry the burden. You have a blind spot in regards to this issue that doesn't benefit you, the board, or the other members. Let someone else carry that weight.

Hopefully you can return to posting great Trip Reports, photos, and BBQ reviews instead. That's the Manarak I enjoy.

[Steff]

DT I now understand why you didn't come into the Chat Room during your lunch time. Wholly Molly!

[tomscam]

That's a very diplomatic reply there DT (in regards to your comments about AB - don't know and can't comment about your comments on Manarak). Summed up quite well what many would be thinking.

I am somewhat shocked that AB has been communicating a TR and photos to this LB Kade. What were you thinking mate? If I remember correctly, you were denying any involvement in this scandal when FF first outed you. I think it would be good for your credibility now if you explained yourself and what you actually did. AB, you are a well liked and appreciated member of this forum but right now you need to serious address this situation if only to help restore the trust that we all have in each other in this forum.

[manarak]

(deepthroat @ Nov. 27 2010,02:53) No, not really Manarak.

1. The thing that appears to have started this whole obsession was when you were criticized for not accepting personal responsibility for pissing off a ladyboy by posting pictures of her that you promised her you would not. Thus began a quest to "out" others who have been "heroes". Just to ensure we are on the same page, you have further definined "hero" (using your own words) as  

"when someone takes confidential information from the restricted access forum"

and shows it someone outside the forum.

2. You've tried your darndest to pillory Tan, a beloved and respected member here, even though she never stood accused of taking confidential information from a restricted access area of any forum. Even after the member who did have a complaint decided to retire it, you continued to play One Man Vigilante in an attempt to stir up shit for Tan. You've never apologized for it. I won't comment about your comments on other boards (which you seem more than willing to do here with regards to other people) as I don't believe it's right to take someone's comments from ANY forum and reprint them on a different forum without their permission.

3. As I've been alluding, you took information from another forum and posted it VERBATIM to this forum, without any permission from it's original author, and said that this was ok because it wasn't taken from a "restricted access area" of that forum. Let me just say right now, I'm not ok with you taking anything I've ever said anywhere on this or any other forum, and reposting it anywhere without my permission. That shouldn't need saying but you apparently need to hear it. It appears that perhaps you think "intent" is the issue of concern, but I think we're about to find out that this is not a simple enough guideline to use.

4. Now that AB has been unmasked as (innocently) revealing information from the "restricted access area" of this forum to a ladyboy, the argument has come full circle. Is this about the intent to harm? If so, then AB should be exonerated, as should Tan, as should you. But if this is about taking information from our forum which is intended for one audience, and sharing it with others without permission, then I think you and AB should both be held accountable and to the same standard.

AB, now I'll come to you. Love you dude, your enthusiasm is infectious. But this is just plain stupid. I don't think you have an evil or ill-intent bone in your body, but you GOTTA slow down and use that thing that's lodged between your ears. Let me repeat to you the same thing I just said to Manarak, and which shouldn't need saying at all but apparently does:

DO NOT EVER TAKE ANYTHING I POST ON THIS FORUM AND SHOW/COPY/READ/REPEAT IT TO ANYONE OUTSIDE OF THIS FORUM, EVER, FOR ANY REASON.

Ok, now - can we all just get along? Manarak, are you willing to start to take personal responsibility for yourself and stop playing policeman?

Look, you've been a long-standing and valued member of this forum, and we all have to find a way to put up with each other's ticks. Whether it's me and my argumentative nature and obsession with long tongues, or you with their attention to detail and love of bbq, or AB and his lack of mental clarity when the desire to "charge" a lovely ladyboy takes over all rational thought - we all just have to find a way to get along.

I'd like to ask you to start to become a bit self-aware, and recognize that this witch hunt you are on will survive, if it is merited, without you leading the torchlight parade. Let others carry the burden. You have a blind spot in regards to this issue that doesn't benefit you, the board, or the other members. Let someone else carry that weight.

Hopefully you can return to posting great Trip Reports, photos, and BBQ reviews instead. That's the Manarak I enjoy.

aahh, DT... precision, precision.
Your post contains between 1 and 3 distortions of facts per point you wanted to make.

But I will delve into these details only upon special request by you, because I otherwise don't see the point, as most other readers will probably discover the faulty logic by themselves.

Before you edited your post, it ended with the folowing line, typed in all caps:

Manarak, are you willing to start to take personal responsibility for yourself and stop playing policeman?

I would have answered by yes, and put you on ignore.

recognize that this witch hunt you are on will survive, if it is merited, without you leading the torchlight parade. Let others carry the burden.

Others hardly carry anything when the threads disappear and the issue and the bold announcements are brushed together under the carpet, as if nothing happened.

It just feels as a let down on these issues.
Let's delete (or move to the mods forum) these threads and hope the dust will settle.
Things would have been different if some info had been posted, like "the issue is under investigation by admins", and if some days later the results were posted.
Now, the issue simply disappeared.


You easily forget that someone potentially PUT FRIEDFRUNKS'S LIFE IN DANGER.
I'm not being overly melodramatic here, we all had that strange feeling of the atmosphere in CM reading FF's first pages of his TR, and this Kwang apparently went ballistic.
Just imagine what could happen to certain BMs if Marina got a thai translation of what got posted about her (I am intentionally vague here and I don't want to say who posted what, because I don't know if my post will not end up in her hands).

Hopefully you can return to posting great Trip Reports, photos, and BBQ reviews instead. That's the Manarak I enjoy.

Did you notice how some formerly greatly contributing members turned into mainly holiday picture posters?
I wonder if I should do the same, writing about BBQ joints and posting Buddha pictures on the Ladyboys forum.

Luckily, you can hold your breath about what photos Candy (Obsessions PTY) will let me post. You will maybe find them tomorrow in Manarak's 2010 Trip - take 3:
https://theladyboyforums.com/cgi-bin....t=26726

(I see you found it already)
:-)

[Road Runner]

Apologies in advance for the heavy editing but I cannot answer everything raised in your post DT.      

(deepthroat @ Nov. 26 2010,20:53) You've tried your darndest to pillory Tan......You've never apologized for it.

Manarak did apologise in public here  -  but it was deleted before many people saw it  -  Tan is OK with this.
I'm writing without her consent or knowledge but I believe she will back me up.

(deepthroat @ Nov. 26 2010,20:53) 3. As I've been alluding, you took information from another forum and posted it VERBATIM to this forum, without any permission from it's original author, and said that this was ok because it wasn't taken from a "restricted access area" of that forum. Let me just say right now, I'm not ok with you taking anything I've ever said anywhere on this or any other forum, and reposting it anywhere without my permission.

The general legal consensus is once you've posted it in public it becomes the property of the public  -  it's out of your control.

(deepthroat @ Nov. 26 2010,20:53) 4.But if this is about taking information from our forum which is intended for one audience, and sharing it with others without permission, then I think you and AB should both be held accountable and to the same standard.

Agreed but like I said above it's already in the public domain.  On this forum the control is up to BS and a limited numer of Admins.

(deepthroat @ Nov. 26 2010,20:53) AB, now I'll come to you. Love you dude, your enthusiasm is infectious. But this is just plain stupid. I don't think you have an evil or ill-intent bone in your body, but you GOTTA slow down and use that thing that's lodged between your ears. Let me repeat to you the same thing I just said to Manarak, and which shouldn't need saying at all but apparently does:

DO NOT EVER TAKE ANYTHING I POST ON THIS FORUM AND SHOW/COPY/READ/REPEAT IT TO ANYONE OUTSIDE OF THIS FORUM, EVER, FOR ANY REASON.

Yes I agree entirely.  AB you are an asset to the forum as most definately is Manarak but please do think before you post  -  this applies to others out there!  -  and also be wary of transmitting anything here to others.

(deepthroat @ Nov. 26 2010,20:53) Ok, now - can we all just get along? .....and stop playing policeman?

We have some very efficient policemen around here but while they are not shy they are better left to work behind the scenes.

As I commented before investigations are still ongoing.

RR.

[ALASKAN BEAR]

OK every one this has got so far out of hand. I remember now talking to KADE i made the mistake of saying i saw a photo of her in her bar she laughed about it and yess i showed her it. and i had asked FF about her as i had been talking to her and he told me she was sexy and he liked her, so I tried to set him up with her as i found her fun to talk to but FF told me about marina. so i passed on to kade that he could not meet her she really wanted to meet him she thought he was handsom man. so i am no hero just a old cupid. manark I am the one that asked BS TO REMOVE that last thread as it was getting out of hand and FF and myself where PM back in forth. DT well said in your post.

So please don't think of me as any kind of a hero just a stupid cupid.

i am sorry FF this was brought up again as we had put it to rest.

PS. i owe you a 12 pack of soda.

[f0xxee]

(manarak @ Nov. 27 2010,02:23) See how it is useful to have the details?

Manarak, for one who is so particular about his own personal internet integrity you have just slandered AB with Gusto.
I think you need to retract your posts #4 and 8.

Foxxee, you are not the first one to take aim at me for stating things that finally turn out to be true (take a number after DT, Mr.Arse, ...)

Name me one member I have slandered without being backed by facts.
None?
Did I make my point?

OK Thanks.

Now that FF has clarified the situation I am more comfortable with Manaraks Posts #4 and #8.

Manarak: Understand I know the damage that gets done with false accusations made on scanty evidence and hearsay. All I wanted was confirmation from the Injured Party (In this case FF.)

Yes in this instance you were proven right: SORT OF. Myself and most of the readers made the assumption that you were talking about the "hero" (how I am learning to hate that word) that outed FF to Kwaeng, most of us had no idea that there was a second "hero" (see hatred above) and a second LB called Kade involved. In essence you got lucky sunshine. And try to remember that as DT has mentioned you broke the trust of a ladyboy by posting her photos after promising not to. Thinks Sins and Stones pal.

So yes... you can march on with your self righteous one man campaign to stamp out violators of the sacred ladyboy trust.... But for my money you are doing as much harm to this forum sewing mistrust and angst as the "heros" do. And to be honest? I fucking despise self appointed important persons with badges and battons. You need to leave this to the Boss now.

In my opinion.

[Bumpa STIKKA]

Before we put this to bed... (and it's very tired and deserves to be well rested!) I'd just want to make it clear that when we started this VIP paywall part of the forum it wasn't very clear to everyone that 'privacy' was a motivating factor behind the whole idea.

Some people were bound to make a few transgressions along the way and it's of no use to anyone to hound people off the board because of an indiscretion that happened ages ago.

I'm more concerned with people who are STILL 'outing' members and their posts.

I suspect that it has got just as much to do with discrediting me and my business as much as it has to do with VIP members being exposed.

There are lots of areas for misinterpretation of the unwritten code by which this forum lives. I trust all the VIPs to use their own judgment when it comes to what is right and what is wrong. Sometimes we'll screw.

Also - as has been mentioned often the 'security' of the VIP areas is only $5 away from being compromised. We rely more on the good will and good intentions and sense of integrity of the VIP members to keep a balance of what can be talked about and what obviously can't be shared around strangers!

FriedFrunk was obviously in danger from the cowardly cunt who fucked him over.

If and when I find the guilty party I'll screw up his life in every way I can think of.

By the way - I called Kwang and she's playing hard to get but has told me that she'll send me the email soon. So soon we'll all be privy to who the hero is on this occasion.

Anyway - let's keep the forum good natured and informative, eh?

[Steff]

Well put. Thanks.

Methinks there may be some of Kwang becoming a star here and she might milk the truth to here advantage. Tempest in a piss-pot. Perhaps she is playing the lot of us. Goodness knows , it happens to the best of us. Just a thought for what it is worth.

[guydesavoy]

(friedfrunk @ Nov. 26 2010,21:08) I never requested for that thread to be removed.

Must have been for legal reasons then, or perhaps the OP thought better of it.

Whether you call it a witch hunt or a lynch mob, this thread amply demonstrates the dangers of letting actions be ruled by emotions rather than cool, reasoned thought.

[pacman]

(Bumpa STIKKA @ Nov. 27 2010,06:05) I suspect that it has got just as much to do with discrediting me and my business as much as it has to do with VIP members being exposed.

That's a nasty thought. This whole sorry episode takes on a completely different light if someone is trying to sabotage you & the forum.

Now we are all waiting on Kwang. Someone out there knows what they did, soon we will too. 'Days of our Lives' has nothing on this.

[friedfrunk]

(ALASKAN BEAR @ Nov. 27 2010,05:30) PS. i owe you a 12 pack of soda.

Coca cola

[manarak]

Now that FF has clarified the situation I am more comfortable with Manaraks Posts #4 and #8.

Manarak: Understand I know the damage that gets done with false accusations made on scanty evidence and hearsay. All I wanted was confirmation from the Injured Party (In this case FF.)

Yes in this instance you were proven right: SORT OF. Myself and most of the readers made the assumption that you were talking about the "hero" (how I am learning to hate that word) that outed FF to Kwaeng, most of us had no idea that there was a second "hero" (see hatred above) and a second LB called Kade involved. In essence you got lucky sunshine.

Well, you don't know how much facts I had before I posted, but they were not mine to post.
The facts were available in the deleted thread.
I think it is important that such facts stay posted instead of being removed, because many people would as you just simply "assume" something instead of knowing the real story.

And try to remember that as DT has mentioned you broke the trust of a ladyboy by posting her photos after promising not to. Thinks Sins and Stones pal.

Well, I didn't ever breach the trust of my fellow board members, did I?
That's an entirely different pair of shoes in my opinion, and trying to pull the Sonya incident up to the same level as what has just happened is abusive.
Especially since in Sonya's case, someone else broke my (our?) trust and reported to Sonya.

And to be honest? I fucking despise self appointed important persons with badges and battons.

How about self-appointed jugdes? Sins and Stones?