Paying the girls for their time

[Guest]

Once  again it has  come to my attention from one of the models that I have been misquoted in regards to what the proper payment should be for spending time with the girls we feature here.  

  I'm still not sure why anyone can't figure out  for themselves what a good payment method is and needs guidance  from here,  but the thing  we here at the website have always said for  years is please just  BE FAIR.    That can only be decided by you, the customer; to some guys they consider "fair" to be much more than others can afford so  if they want to pay more than the usual amount we would never try and discourage that.  Up  To You as the Thai's say.   For you Cheap Charlies out there, we would however try and discourage that as much as possible because  lowballing these nice people is not always "fair", and they have to  eat and make a living also; please try and remember that when you are deciding whether or not to hang on to that extra few baht.  It seems like there has a to be a middle ground here, and it shouldn't take much common sense for you the consumer to figure out what it is based on what your personal experience was or continues to be. We have never said "Pay X amount of money to be with these girls" and we never will; that is simply Up To You.

           I always practice what I preach when I am in Thailand and I am sure  any model who knows  me would concur with that and say that I am very fair with them in this regard.  I still  say that being fair with these girls is a  good deal for both sides and keeps everyone happy and have said that for over 2 years now so I hope I am never misquoted on this point again.  

[stogie bear]

What are you reported to have said was a fair payment?
What DO you think is fair payment?

This is gonna be an ongoing topic for as long as we have topics to write about. None of us know what each of the girls we go with is expecting, and the odd custom of paying what you feel like in Thailand lends itself to easy abuse.

I paid 1,500 for a girl and was rapped by a member who said "What - In Pattaya? Are you mad?" I thought that was the 'going rate' and she was happy and so was I! Some of the locals pay 500 short time and get long times anyway! Good for them.

Is there a two tier pricing system, or even a three tier pricing system. Locals, tourists and stupid tourists!

Some time ago I wrote a detailed report on current going rates and it was generally approved by everyone, so there is a guideline and it doesn't change much.

What we consider value for money also comes into play. I got a dud one night and paid her 1,000 just to go home! Was I right, and was it her fault that the sex wasn't special!

There are two sides to every story.

In JaiDee's case (and how long do we have to put up with transparent alias by the way!) he can't answer back, so when there is only one version of "the truth" it's easier to believe!

The issue of money is subjective. If you are a local and you go with a girl you know then there are set rates that don't change. If you are a "local tourist" then you won't allow yourself to get ripped off and if you are a "fish" (a drunk or new tourist) then you are fair game for these girls.

In the end it's always important to remember that it's not personal. These girls are in the service industry and don't owe you anything more than a good fuck. If you want to feed them and buy them stuff then they'll let you, but be under NO illusion about your relationship with them.

That's not a slight on the girls, btw - just a heads up for the free spending tourists who want to feel good by spoiling a pretty girl for a day or so. It's not a jab at the free spenders either! I love spoiling the girls I am with. It makes me feel good and I wish I could spoil pretty girls back in the UK or the USA and get the same good feelings!

The truth is that I can't find girls who I am attracted to or who are attracted to me in Western countries. So when I come to Thailand and every girl in every bar thinks I'm a rich 'hansum' man then I let myself fall for it and end up acting like I AM a 'rich and hansum man!'

In two weeks though, if I am smart, I'm back behind a desk saving all my cash for the next girl who thinks I'm a rich and hansum man!

Folks - the issue of paying the girls is entirly subjective and in the end just give 'em what feels good to YOU! If you wanna be stingy then go ahead and be stingy. In my experience it's not a way to get good sex and it's no way to live life!

If you wanna go ahead and buy them cars and cattle then do that also. But be aware that you do NOT move up a notch in there esteem at all!

My real advice is to pay about 20% more than you think they expect, and feed them also.

(On top of the 1,500 I gave to my girl I also gave her 200 Baht for the cab and a couple of meals and money for toothbrush etc...

I probably had the best single night of sex of my life with this girl!

You do the mental math! Two or three cheap notches in the ol' bedpost, or one night of great fucking. I know which I'd rather have! And I know which I am gonna remember when I'm old and grey and can't get the flag  flying anymore!)

[Guest]

I just pay according to the service I get. If she is more intersted in her phone or TV then me she don't get that much. But if it is all about me I pay at least 1,500 baht. Also matters how long they stay. I have no problem giving extra if she does extra.

[post-op lover]

Hey Stogie, good advice.

Btw, what did your comment about JaiDee mean?

And where did the ATS.com forum go? I've not been online much recently - using dialup and porn seems to be very slow on dialups.

[stogie bear]

Btw, what did your comment about JaiDee mean?

And where did the ATS.com forum go?

I think everyone knows by now that JaiDee is Eddie Murphy.

Also; it was felt that the message board didn't need the extra forum!

[Guest]

"But any girl treating you like a fool should be dumped in 5 seconds flat."

  absolutely true, WT..........  if  anyone's  gut instinct is telling them "I am being played for a sucker here", then it is probably time to head for the door.  The gut is usually right.  [sorry, your whole post got deleted by accident when I quoted that sentence].

     I had to post this because once again I was  misquoted on this subject.  many times I  have been out in BKK and heard from girls "Hey, why  did you tell customer X  that he only had to pay me 1000 baht for long time?" when of course I have never said such a thing. some guy blaming me for his own cheapness and I am sure it has happened often.  or the girl that wrote me yesterday that prompted this  post, telling me some guy from the states didn't like me because I was saying it was bad to  give TOO much and spoil the girls.  I am not sure  when I have ever said that either;  I usually just say to be fair with the girls and people can interpret that any way that they choose. I can't win.

           what people don't see or hear about are the letters and in-person thanks I get from ladyboys  who have made a small fortune from meeting customers of this website. so many girls have told me about the big  scores they have made with guys from  here and how could that be if I was telling people to be cheap and not pay these girls well?

   Sure, SB,  JaiDee is an alias; I didn't know you were given the name Stogie Bear at birth. Wise Traveller, Blue Ballz, Lotusman, Mr. Lonely,  Snick, Bricktop.... other people with very unusual first names.

[Guest]

My first name is Lipflipper and my last name is Munchenfuck. I go by Lip or muchfucked.
Jaidee is a good alias as is the one you used to fuck with everybodys mind over the past month. Lesliegirl, that was a good one. You can deny it all you want but you speak with a forked tongue paleface.

[Guest]

OK.....you caught me

   even though I have no idea what the hell you are talking about....... I thought someone else said they met Lesliegirl and I can guarantee they didn't meet ME.   I was in thailand and the philippines and  didn't even have site access for 7 weeks in the fall; ask anyone who has travelled to either place  lately, so how the hell could I post under any name?

give it a rest..... your cynic/critic  schtick gets old.

[wisetraveller]

"or the girl that wrote me yesterday that prompted this post, telling me some guy from the states didn't like me because I was saying it was bad to give TOO much and spoil the girls. I am not sure when I have ever said that either"

JD people can be pretty careless. It could be that it is someone who ocassionally scans over the posts without really reading who said what. I am sure some post somewhere along the line from someone expressed that sentiment (about not overpaying). Probably the guy who talked to the girl was dumb enough to assume if it was in a post it was from you, or had your endorsement.

Or maybe he is just a tightass.



By the way, I will never forgive my mother for calling me WiseTraveller.

cheers

WT

[Guest]

well, that is basically why I started this thread and pinned it for a day or 2 so my position would be perfectly clear; I would never try and tell anyone a specific dollar amount on how to pay these models. The bottom line is to be fair and remember that they have to make a living also. if guys want to overpay that is their choice also and it is probably better than not paying enough.

these girls have to eat and live and probably send cash home to the provinces every month as well; if you enjoy your time with them there is no reason not to pay accordingly.

[fancylighters]

To the local pros out there - a question:

I've dreamed for years of being in the middle of a LB sandwich.   If you have a 3some, do the prices go down (volume discount) or up (freak-factor surcharge)?  

What's the rule on this one?

[Guest]

Lets see;
If it's you, Rita, and Talesha, not only will there be a "factor", you'll deserve a medal.
andyman

[PigDogg]

I'm no pro, but I've always paid each girl the same that I normally pay. Think if there is something special you want such as two GG lezing out on each other, or a LB backdooring another LB, or a LB screwing a GG you should get clear on that upfront.

[Tomcat]

mmmmm....

Perhaps individual wealth must be factored in here. Someone in BKK with say 500 USD to play for the week with is going to be more carefull than a high roller on no budget who will pay 3000 no problem without thinking.

I know a few high roller CEOs here who pay even more than that but its not that there stupid , in fact very very far from it, its just that 3-4K is not a big deal and they dont care about keeping the rate down, why should they. Some of these guys will happily part with 300USD in Taiwan for a short time so 3K Baht is a bag of peanuts.

They dont log on here and so their perception on fairness is different to some maybe ATS guys who chew over the Bahts. This is just a reality that you cant change...........

Whether this skews the rate for everyone in the long run im not sure but i do know that once you pay 2 or 3K you can never ever pay the same girl less if you regularise with her,
the price can only  go north.



Anyway as that green guy with the pointy ears said

may you live long and prosper.




TC

[jtatis]

I make a good salary and usually pay above market because in a large part because I am sympathetic to the fact that most girls would prefer not to be prostitutes and Thai society doesn't give them many other options and they can only go on working like this for a limited period of time. BUT, from time to time I get absolutely disgusted with them. This afternoon was just such an ocassion. I'm with 4 LBs who have come to HK for the weekend to celebrate New Years. I'm all for these girls having a good time but this afternoon all 4 of these girls threw money around like its was confettti on designer goods and then turned to me with some sob story. Then, I saw them call up some schmuck and milk him for every dollar he's got cuz he wants them to be happy.

Every LB is different but I hope that all the readers out there reward with kind gentle fun girls (i.e., Nan, Nikka, Natalie (Pattaya), Jenny (KC3), Nun (Cascades), Yim (KC3)) with fair and generous pay and penalize those with stone hearts (and shark eyes) like those I spent the afternoon with. I realize the bozos from today will ultimately suffer as they blow all their cash and dont save anything for the future and therefore perpetuate their situation, but I would hope that all the readers don't contribute to these types of girls. In other words, I'm all for lowballing the sharkeyes LBs.

While it would be difficult to monitor, i just wish there was some way to pass along messages of which are the good girls and which ones are the bad ones.