WHAT do Ladyboys think about us?

[pacman]

"Are we cash cows or potential lovers?" is obviously a rhetorical question that could, if allowed, lead to an interesting thread.

I was hoping for some comment from BMs who are or have been in a relationship with a Katoey.

I know it has been discussed before, I know some don't think it worthy of space here on the forum, but I am interested in hearing how it has turned out.

Stewart concedes that 5% of us care, that's enough potential contributors to make some observations. And I am sure there are some good stories out there.

As to the distinction between P4P & non-P4P, I don't care, the very idea that a girl's entire behaviour is recast because she has accepted money for sex is odd to say the least.

Just like we recognise the breadth of the gay continuum, so it goes with the prostitution continuum.

How many occasions does it take for one to be considered a whore? And if the answer is one, be careful, you are surrounded by them.

[f0xxee]

Ladyboylova,

IN my humble opinion it works a bit like this:
We all start out looking to them (ok massive generalization just made) as walking ATM's...
It's how you treat them from that point on that determines whether you stay screwed and glued. My experience is that most ladyboys given half a chance are not the over sexed little hornbags we imagine. They are there to make money. And they are not that motivated, which is a nice way of saying they can be lazy.
Therefore if you treat them with respect, look after them, offer them a future they seem to fall in love. It beats working. And they realise often its better the falang you know than the devil you don't.
And every now and again they really do fall in love. Fer real. Especially if you happen to live there, which makes the diffenence.
Now whether that love is Brad and Angelina or more the sugar daddy nature of Hugh Hefner and his entourage, is dependent on the girl.
IN my opinion Thais have lower expectations than Filipinas, who are more the label queen and seem to have more western materialist values. Thais (generally to me) seem pretty happy with 3 meals, a comfortable house, a tv that is LOUD, and some baht (not so much) so that the family buffalo, brother and Mom and Pop are looked after.
I have seen an apparently hard hearted porn star sobbing and snotting all over my couch, me, the coffee table, and eventually into the swimming pool, for a full afternoon. Thus proving sometimes that the harder core whore she is, if she does fall in love with you, the harder she falls in love with you. Which makes sense: it took more to get through her reserve and cynicism.. .It cost her more emotionally to let go.
My advice:
If you really want a ladyboy for a full time partner you have to be there with them. If you are planning to come for one or two holidays a year then robbo and Panzer etc are on the right track: fuck and forget them. Or be prepared to be a long suffering, fucked up emotional wreck. If you go down the "absent boyfriend" route you will find out what "manipiulation" truly means.
If you really are prepared to to live with them, head held high and proud of them in their homeland (be it Philippines or LOS, they love a man who is proud of them... they are insecure as buggery no matter how they might pretend otherwise) then it can be pretty wonderful.

Even whores read fairytales, in fact more so.

[robbo]

my opinion only it may be,but i beg to differ...........long term p4p workers behaviour WILL be and IS precast and recast by their behaviour.................there are some exceptions.......but not the norm.

how many times over and over on this and other forums and in other places everywhere is it excepted that a hooker is a hooker and will behave like.......................a hooker,once guys stop trying to find a meaning or a heart "in there somewhere" then those guys will be much better suited to participation in p4p.
otherwise if they cannot accept that that sweet girl they just barfined only wants your money and "she must have feelings" i wonder........." then they should not go p4p,go find a steady gf and settle down for that,me myself no thanks ive been there before been married at 19 and a father to at the same age,various relationships now i dont want the bullshite i want fun, i know the score as long as my barfine likes me for a ST or LT then thats fine.............ive got to like her to for that matter,all the rest is shite...............they dont want to get into too much bullshite either.....................just remember these girls are not forced to do what they do..........most thais are not hookers........nor are you forced to go with them....
my opinion here again..........if you want to figure out a GG,s heart and mind be prepared for a lifetime of conradiction hassle shite and more shite!
if you want to figure out the heart and mind of a p4p transgender then be prepared for all of the same................just more of it, much more.

[robbo]

sorry foxxee,wasnt meant to refer to your post.
i was refering to pacmans post 76,but yes pacman you are right,it can be a rhetorical question. thats why i said before......who cares,its too confusing with too many variables if buts and maybys.
if someone wants a ltr then go find one outside p4p.

[pacman]

   Thanks robbo for your opinion, I don't have an issue with what you write...

I will say that I am glad you qualified the P4P workers as "long term", I knew that I was on thin ice grouping them all together.

The difference between a new arrival fresh from the rice fields of Issan & a hard hearted ice smoking bitch from Soi 6 is like night & day.

I would not be suggesting that they make girl friend material to anyone. It's back to the hooker continuum, the worse life treats them, the more ruthless they become.

I have heard of guys who have gone the extra mile with the hard ones, I am hoping to see a post from someone with 1st hand experience.

I doubt it will make for happy reading but how will we know unless they give us their story, for better or worse?

[robbo]

yes there are the newbie girls in the bars who will be next to the old hands on the chrome pole,often you can spot them straight away with a few observations while having a beer,these will /may have different outlook etc to there job,indeed some ive known only do a temp stint at p4p and decide they cant and wont do it,you could be lucky and pluck one away before she gets bar - desensitized if you want to try,chances are tho these girls get wise to the scene very quick and they are there to do a job,thats as far is it goes for em.i like to think im just helping them do their job ................you know kind of like a missionary because im good like that just like seamus and seven a heart of gold and a stiffy in the trousers

[f0xxee]

(pacman @ May 16 2009,17:32) I would not be suggesting that they make girl friend material to anyone. It's back to the hooker continuum, the worse life treats them, the more ruthless they become.

I have heard of guys who have gone the extra mile with the hard ones, I am hoping to see a post from someone with 1st hand experience.

I doubt it will make for happy reading but how will we know unless they give us their story, for better or worse?

Hey Paccie,

You know my track record and you probably know who I was referring to in my post  above about the hard hearted whore  crying and blubbering for hours when we split up after 6 months.
So yes, you can take even a chicken smoking hard core PORNO queen and have a decent relationship with them.... IF THEY want one.
The girl above I took out of LOS and introduced to a new life and new friends and scenery in a differnt country... and it was good.
And i stand by what I said above: IF that crack queen porno whore wants to settle down with a white picket fence etc. she will make a great wife. Haven't you ever wondered where old whores go? Ok, many burn out, some go back from Francine to Frank and some die. But some eventually find Mr. Right and settle. And because they are hard nosed and calloused when they do love you can bet your ass it will be ther real deal. Back home I have two good mates married to ex GG whores... both are happy and have have been for over a decade. The thing with ex whores is they have seen it all and know men for who we are. And they generally hate drama queens worse than we do.
On the other hand I have also had the young Isaan mud ducks too... And found it less successful. Firstly the age difference. Second their lack of worldliness. Thirdly they have short attention spans and dont really know when they are on a good thing cos copared to being fucked by thier brother/uncle/father any falang looks good.

Naturally this is all conjecture and opinion and Robbo is 100% correct too: The fuck and forget policy is painless and fun.
Simply put we are duscussing humans. Its hard enough to pick a winner at the 2:30 at Doncaster, what chance have you got in the human race?

Cheers,

[f0xxee]

(robbo @ May 16 2009,17:53) ................you know  kind of like a missionary   because im good like that just like seamus and seven a heart of gold and a stiffy in the trousers

Bloody brilliant!

[Stogie]

My relationships with all ladyboys is how I wanted my relationship with all GGs to be when I grew up...

I am happier in a relationship but happy to screw around in between them!

I've had three ladyboy girlfriends and about 100 LB lovers...

That's all I ever wanted.

So what do they think of me? Hansum when I'm bar fining them and a waste of fucking space when I'm not!

[sev7en]

(PanzerPorn @ May 16 2009,08:28) Show him your massive viking bycepts for a start , then be yourself.........i know very well your powers to get under people skins.

I think over the last few days you have showed who is the master of that trade.

[pacman]

Thank you foxxee, now that's the sort of insight we need...  Stories from the front, there is no substitute for experience...

And robbo, despite not ever being too serious, your studied offerings make better reading than your flippant ones. And humour too, cheers, we can never have too much of that...      

And I can't overlook Stogie's words of self-deprecation - you know you kicked a golden goal when life parked you in the midst of ladyboy heaven...

A waste of space or not, why should you care? 1000 guys would step up tomorrow to swap places. Ladyboy Central complete with pool & hot & cold running ladyboys...

....what more could anyone wish for?        

[Stogie]

(pacman @ May 16 2009,19:19) ....what more could anyone wish for?

Cable?

[jimslim]

I think some people here are in danger of over analyzing things ...........

We are far from the most important things in their lives ,they are just good at pretending we are .

Be yourself , have fun and enjoy yourself with some of the most beautiful creatures on this planet , and don't take it all to serious , tis the path to ladyboy happiness my friends ...........

[pacman]

   have fun & enjoy yourself? Yes, I believe most of wish for nothing less, but that is really not what the thread is about...

Ladyboyluva is seriously wishing to have a relationship with a ladyboy & has asked how they view us.

It's an interesting question worthy of answer, no-one expects the definitive response, there are too many personalities involved, but don't shut the thread down because you think we are over analysing things.

It is the priceless insights that I hope for, we may not get them immediately but there is nowhere better to ask...

...our brothers in arms have seen it all, we just need them to post their experience.

Now Jim, I know you have gone the extra mile, just what would you suggest to ladyboyluva? In polite language of course...        

[Stealth]

Allow me to make my point of view on this guy`s
Afther talking to different LB on how they look at us and what do they expect from us i can say each LB have a different view but it all come down to one thing and that is ( take care of the family back home ) when youth LB hit the street in there early day`s all of them have the dream of one day to meet there prince on the white horse , but afther many dissapointment and been lie to many time they understand the ball game and become more bussiness minded and all go`s just for the money but still hoping that maybe one day the right one will come`s allong.
Afther years in the bussiness , one day they will look in to the mirror and see a old LB at the other side that will soon not be as attractive as she use to be.
And then they will get in to panic and start to look again for the right person to seattle down , some of them are lucky and will make it but most will be for ever alown ranger.
Here in europe i have seen many LB that are married and have a good living but i also saw many lost cases that did not made it for what reason what so ever , i think it`s a pure luck thing.

Cheers , Stealth