How To Treat a Ladyboy - Hints and Tips

[batman4ever]

Doug...IF a had a hat ( ) i would take it of for you... you maybe a bit rough in your explanations...but the overall sence is spot on.....
i will NEVER learn to understand the Thais....i wont even try to tell someone that i does.... i prefer to stay in Disneyland even that i know Minniemouse has a surprice in her pants...
but as long as iam there....i just try to be polite and make people around me feel good....

actually it would be nice if they were of plutonium.... then a certain part of them would be easyli found in the darkness....

[PanzerPorn]

Shagging different male sex workers everynight won't help to gain more respect which you don't get at the first place just showing your pale face at the immigration on your way in.

Money is the only way to buy our dreams.
Knowledge of the culture and the language could probably destroy or make our fantasy exotic world for sale bitter.

No matter what we do or where we live in thailand, we will always be subject of disgust, discrimination and mokery.
Why?
Because we are white and because we are gay.

[doug]

(PanzerPorn @ Mar. 24 2009,17:53) No matter what we do or where we live in thailand, we will always be subject of disgust, discrimination and mokery.
Why?
Because we are white and because we are gay.

Bitter much?

I guess every long-timer goes through a "hate on Thailand" stage, where they think the whole country is one stinking pile of shit. So how's that outlook working out for you?

Like I said, a lot of guys think they've got this place "figured out", and usually their advice revolves around "money buys everything here".

Yah, well, I guess on SUKHUMVIT it does.

Try spending a bit less time in a redlight-district bar and you may discover a slightly less bleak outlook on life here.

The key point to remember is that your "exotic fantasy world" is just that. A fantasy. If you lose yourself in it, you're just going to end up bitter and disillusioned. Nobody can LIVE in Disneyland and not get fucking sick of it after awhile.

As the buddhists like to point out, moderation in ALL things is the key to a fulfilling life. Try to find interesting and personally rewarding things to enrich your REALITY and you may get more enjoyment out of your stay here.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy whore-mongering as much as the next guy, but it's just a small part of my overall life (which is why I'm often absent from the boards for extended periods, I've got other things to do).

But when whore-mongering BECOMES your life, and the people around you DEFINE you primarily as a whore-mongerer, well, that's a rather sad step to take. And you shouldn't be surprised if your reception is less than welcoming here. Nobody wants to be around someone who's in a full-on downward spiral. That's not discrimination, that's just normal prudence and common sense.

[manarak]

Doug,

thanks for your insights.
I think they are spot-on.

I would like to live in your area in future, so I can listen to what you're telling.
Where do you live?

[PanzerPorn]

(doug @ Mar. 24 2009,18:12) Try spending a bit less time in a redlight-district bar and you may discover a slightly less bleak outlook on life here.

Belive me i did and after my limited antropological and linguistic journeys were over ,i realized i don't want to dig deep in the subject more and find that " one stinking pile of shit"which it's lying down the surface.

Don't get me wrong, i'm always back spending 99% of my time in the red light districts having mostly whores and perverts as my company but living back in the stone age in a Isaarn village feeding my soul whit buddhist moderation and sticky rice isn't for me.

Thailand is a great country to live in for the THAIS living as THAIS.
We cannot live the same way , it's against our genes and against their principles to let us do it.
If the other outlook in life is to recreate our western microworld in our residence according to our imprintings, genetics and values filtered to the wrong impression we are welcomed and accepted here as individuals well....that's building another Disneyland whitout the rides.

[kahuna]

(PanzerPorn @ Mar. 24 2009,18:53) i'm always back spending 99% of my time in the red light districts having mostly whores and perverts as my company

And which one am I?  The whore or the pervert?

[PanzerPorn]

A mature perverted whore ,
you got everything i need to distract me from the real joys of Thailand, even nice pants!!!

[paultain]

[doug]

(manarak @ Mar. 24 2009,18:26)
Doug,                          

thanks for your insights.
I think they are spot-on.

I would like to live in your area in future, so I can listen to what you're telling.
Where do you live?

There are a lot of good places just outside Bangkok that are close enough to town for a quick hop downtown, but far enough out that you avoid all the tourist-hunting bullshit.

My advice is to get a map of Bangkok, and then go to someplace that is NOT on that map.  (Most maps of Bangkok only go out as far as Victory Monument, which isn't even the end of the Skytrain.  Basically, maps are for tourists, so any place that is on a map, sucks.  So head out to the end of the Skytrain (in any direction) and then get into a cab and continue on in that direction for twenty more minutes.  You'll easily find a really nice and CHEAP place to live).

(PanzerPorn @ Mar. 24 2009,18:26) If the other outlook in life is to recreate our western microworld in our residence according to our imprintings, genetics and values filtered to the wrong impression we are welcomed and accepted here as individuals well....that's building another Disneyland whitout the rides.

While I don't agree with you about the "genetic imprinting", the second half of your quote does raise a good point.

There are lots and lots of farang (of the corporate workforce type), who come here, build little gated enclaves, and hole themselves up in theme-park versions of their home countries.  Some times when I'm in those places I swear I can hear "It's a Small World" playing as I drive around.

But you're completely wrong if you think that the only way farangs can be accepted in Thailand is if they hole themselves up in hi-so gated communities or lo-so red-light districts.

I'm living proof that you're wrong.  I live in a perfectly normal middle-class neighborhood and I have a perfectly normal lifestyle with my normal Thai friends.

Do I encounter discrimination?  Sure I do.  Do some dickheads try to give me a hard time because they think they can get away with it in "their" country?  Sure they do.  But those are individual cases and nine times out of ten they get resolved in my favor.

The fact that I speak, read and write Thai fairly well helps a lot, but more importantly, I took the time to get to know the culture.  Which is why I can't emphasize enough the importance of "discretion".  It is an ESSENTIAL aspect of "proper" Thai behavior.  If you lack it, you will be shunned.  Period.

But just because living in Thailand requires a bit more flexibility and adaptability than you're capable of, does not mean it's impossible for anyone else to do.

I think it's fine that you've found your own way to enjoy Thailand.  That's great and to each his own, right?  But even a tourist benefits from a bit of discretion here.  Like I said before, jealous and clingy "girlfriend experiences from hell" are a sure-fire way to spoil a holiday.

Also, I think one of the reasons I get along so well with Thai ladyboys (even P4P ones) is that I've learned enough about the culture to know how these girls want men to treat them.  If you hold a door open for them or say "Bless you" when they sneeze and they're like, "meh", because that's a Western way to show courtesy.  But ask them, "Did you eat yet?" or whip out an umbrella on a sunny day, and they'll think you're the sweetest guy ever.

That may be more work than a short-timer wants to do, but trust me, it does pay dividends in the short and long term.

[PanzerPorn]

(doug @ Mar. 24 2009,21:14) But just because living in Thailand requires a bit more flexibility and adaptability than you're capable of, does not mean it's impossible for anyone else to do.

I'm a lazy slow learner whit the attention of 6 years old child but i learnt life is too short for internet crusades or silly mental masturbations based on different backgrounds and opinions.

I try my best to use this country as much it is trying to use me keeping a balance and having a win-win situation for me even when i'm apparently losing.
I use some personal tricks only good for me and i don't mind cheating at all.

Orgasms are even better every trip and my very sad Nirvana is a condom full of cum.

I have to go now my Buddhist meditation class is starting soon and i have to stop by the pharmacy first.

[manarak]

"Did you eat yet?"

Nee haow ma?
oops, that's in the big country up north...

About the map... I bought a road atlas.
So, Doug, you live in the greater Bangkok suburbs?

I plan on living somewhere around mabprachan reservoir...
I guess this is tourist area

[doug]

(PanzerPorn @ Mar. 24 2009,22:32) I'm a lazy slow learner whit the attention of 6 years old child ... ... I use some personal tricks only good for me and i don't mind cheating at all.... ...and my very sad Nirvana is a condom full of cum.

You say something like this about yourself and yet you still think that the reason you're the "subject of disgust, discrimination and mockery" is because you're "white and gay"??

Seriously?

Come on, dude. Even six year-olds can connect the dots.

Do you honestly not see the correlation between your attitude and (public) behavior, and the treatment you receive in return?? You really believe that it's all THEIR fault?

[doug]

"gin kow mai" (pronounced with a hard-g, not 'jin' = "did you eat yet?") is the Thai equivilant of "How yah doing?"

Try it next time you're walking out of a bar with a girl in tow, and quite often an impersonal short-time quickie will turn into a pleasant long-time "date", even if you don't actually end up eating anything.

It's just a Thai way of expressing courtesy and showing that you care about the other person's health and well-being.  Any business owner in Thailand knows that the only way to motivate Thai staff is by showing them that you care about THEM, not your damn quarterly reports.

Whatever you do, don't fake it.  Thais may be shit for problem-solving and critical thinking skills when it comes to science and technology, but they are among the best in the world when it comes to "people skills".  They have an incredibly sensitive bullshit detector, and so an insincere attempt to gain their favor will often backfire.

So if you want to be a nice guy and inquire after the health of some bargirl's grandma, she'll geniunely appreciate the courteous attitude.  But if you're try to PRETEND to be a nice guy and inquire after her grandma's health in order to get a freebie, she's going to look at you like shit on her shoe. I mean, seriously, you're trying to use her grandma to get a discount on sex. How exactly do you expect to get treated?

And while I don't mean to flame anyone, I do have to say one thing about a particular pet peeve of mine:  Many farang think they can come here and act like total dickheads, and they think that people will still kiss their ass because they've got the almighty dollar on their side.

Well, as for that....

They get exactly what they deserve.

[Ozzie]

(doug @ Mar. 24 2009,23:41) "gin kow mai" (pronounced with a hard-g, not 'jin' = "did you eat yet?") is the Thai equivilant of "How yah doing?"

Try it next time you're walking out of a bar with a girl in tow, and quite often an impersonal short-time quickie will turn into a pleasant long-time "date", even if you don't actually end up eating anything.

It's just a Thai way of expressing courtesy and showing that you care about the other person's health and well-being.  Any business owner in Thailand knows that the only way to motivate Thai staff is by showing them that you care about THEM, not your damn quarterly reports.

Whatever you do, don't fake it.  Thais may be shit for problem-solving and critical thinking skills when it comes to science and technology, but they are among the best in the world when it comes to "people skills".  They have an incredibly sensitive bullshit detector, and so an insincere attempt to gain their favor will often backfire.

So if you want to be a nice guy and inquire after the health of some bargirl's grandma, she'll geniunely appreciate the courteous attitude.  But if you're try to PRETEND to be a nice guy and inquire after her grandma's health in order to get a freebie, she's going to look at you like shit on her shoe.  I mean, seriously, you're trying to use her grandma to get a discount on sex.  How exactly do you expect to get treated?

And while I don't mean to flame anyone, I do have to say one thing about a particular pet peeve of mine:  Many farang think they can come here and act like total dickheads, and they think that people will still kiss their ass because they've got the almighty dollar on their side.

Well, as for that....

They get exactly what they deserve.

Are you for real? You seem to think you are the authority on all things Thai.

I hope nobody coming to Thailand on a holiday even contemplates listening to your rhetoric.

[PanzerPorn]

(doug @ Mar. 24 2009,23:14)

(PanzerPorn @ Mar. 24 2009,22:32) I'm a lazy slow learner whit the attention of 6 years old child ... ... I use some personal tricks only good for me and i don't mind cheating at all.... ...and my very sad Nirvana is a condom full of cum.

You say something like this about yourself and yet you still think that the reason you're the "subject of disgust, discrimination and mockery" is because you're "white and gay"??

Seriously?

Come on, dude.  Even six year-olds can connect the dots.

Do you honestly not see the correlation between your attitude and (public) behavior, and the treatment you receive in return??  You really believe that it's all THEIR fault?

and even six year- olds can understand some sarcasm, but you can ask the guys........I'm VERY white and my shirts are VERY gay.