Some people have money to burn...

[paultain]

(Homeless Traveler 2 @ Dec. 28 2008,23:27)

(paultain @ Dec. 28 2008,13:58)

(batman4ever @ Dec. 28 2008,10:28) Soon to buy

hurry up before sold out....

Thanks batman,
I actually think thats quite funny, I had to burst out laughing when I saw that, didn't annoy me in the least. I like a good laugh. Actually its not a bad idea, not the magazine of course, but starting a new forum for the people who haven't got money to burn.

Cheers for the idea  

UMmm....well i personally like this forum very much, and i dont see a need to fracture it...but maybe stogie would consider adding a special section just for us cheap charlies to highlight issues of interest to only those of us who appreciate a bargin now n again...that way all the millionaires (real or weekend) that like to toss off their cash wont have to be annoyed by our efforts to share info on how not to.

...though i have to say that as a cheap charlie (sorta, i still like nice hotels) i have never felt this forum unfriendly cept when some didnt appreciate my sense of humor, but thats ok, the world kept turning.

I'd go along with that also

[Stogie]

Good answer to my ramblings... I often get it wrong.

I don't suppose you'd still consider doing the Photo thread!

[paultain]

(f0xxee @ Dec. 29 2008,09:55) Sorry my computer took it upon its self to post that incomplete.

Gents, (And after reading some of the nastiness above I use the term in a very broard sense.)

I see a whole lot of jealousy and ingnorance of the right to have an opinion here. A while ago I commented that 69Billy's way is his way and good luck to him, he does no harm and injects cash (and etc.) into Thailand.

Others like me (I guess I must be a toff, I'd prefer wanker) spend our money at a level we  feel comfortable with.

To say that he has more fun (this is to you, Paultain) is unquantified and unquantifiable. How can fun be measured? Who is the measurer? This is the only part of this thread I have found annoying becuase it is one mans opinion that another (different)  man has more fun than the rest of us.

Oh... and I also think telling a man online he has his tongue in someone elses ass is gutless. Tell them to their face. Or better, keep that sort of shit out of the forum.

Lastly to you Billy, you seem absolutely sure that the girls laugh at big spenders behind their backs, while they see you as Mr. Frugal. But you would think that as it would seem to support your argument. Perhaps they laugh at you behind your back too... In fact perhaps they laugh at all of us falang bah, which is why most of them go home to their Thai boyfriends sooner or later. We are a paradox to them, as they are to us.

East is east and West is west, and never the twain shall meet.

I agree with what you say.

And as far as the jimslim thing, as he is Irish and myself, I figured he would see the humor in it, which as you can see he did. Good on ya' Jim.

[kahuna]

(Homeless Traveler 2 @ Dec. 28 2008,23:27) ...but maybe stogie would consider adding a special section just for us cheap charlies to highlight issues of interest to only those of us who appreciate a bargin now n again...that way all the millionaires (real or weekend) that like to toss off their cash wont have to be annoyed by our efforts to share info on how not to.

All you gotta do is read...

PigDogg, who lives in Pattaya has started a thread for Pattaya bargain hunters...
I don't think he will venture off into costs for barfines and ST and LT costs...
But I'm sure you and others can add topics as you please...

And you are wrong....There is nothing annoying about telling everyone about a bargain...What is annoying is behavior displayed by paultain...



https://theladyboyforums.com/cgi-bin....pigdogg

[paultain]

(kahuna @ Dec. 29 2008,16:49) To be honest, I'm a bit concerned with his ability to do simple math...

On this thread he tells us he llived in LOS for 15 years...And on another
thread he tells us he lived in LOS for 7.5 years...

On this thread he tells us he owned a bar in NEP for 2 years...And on
another thread he tells us he owned a bar in NEP for 1 year...

Not that it matters, since I truly believe everything he has posted...

Well observed Kahuna
Your right I did have a math problem, it was 8 year running the bar business, but in the other thread I was concentrating on when I physically ran the bar businesses. There were other things I did other than bars. Some to be proud of, some I'm not proud of.

Example;
When I said owning a bar in NEP for 2 years, the other thread running the bar for 1 year. Yes I did own the bar for 2 years, but I got fed up after the first year, walking into NEP day after day, until it felt like a prison yard. Until Doc an LB, (that's another story) asked me for a job one day, and seeing how good and honest she was, I let her run the bar wile I went down to Puket for a year on the piss more or less. But didn't sell the bar till the end of the second years lease. I didn't really want to share that, as I'm not particularly proud of that.

But all in all the 15 years is quite easy to explain, but only 8 of them in the bar business, and some things I cannot put on this forum.

[Guest]

Hi Guys,
First off let me apologize for the length of this posting but after reading through a few pages of this thread I had to write my thoughts and you who know me from the chat room know I can yack and yack when needed. Please DO NOT write to me and yell and scream, these are just my views, plain and simple. So sit back, put your feet up and READ!!!

First off, Billy was never a hero of mine, but I have some people on here that I respect a lot, first off Stogie Bear and Kahuna both I hold on VERY high regards. Not just because I have met them and liked them from day 1, but any time you either speak to them or read a response from them, it's usually well thought out and in Kahuna's case, amusing too. Kahuna is here a lot of the year and as we all know, SB lives here like I do and NOOOOOO, I don't hang out with SB even though he lives maybe 30 minutes away. But they both give great insight to what REALLY goes on in LOS. Pacman is another one that is a great poster and the same can be said for TT Chang and Suay. You will not find a finer guy as you will in TT. He's class, pure and simple and too see him in action in the bars, well it's a work of art.

What can I say about Suay other than she is a woman who is class through and through and is one of the nicest women I have ever had the opportunity to speak with and though often times she is outspoken, you have to understand that she speaks on behalf of the females. This is a crucial point, Suay knows many ladies personally and can give us GREAT insight what they really think and how they operate their lives on a day to day basis. We kid her about having outstanding tits and though I have never seen them personally, I can look at Suays picture and see a lot more than a beautiful pair of boobs and see a a true angel. I look at her with a special feeling in my heart and I can suspect that any guy that has this woman in his life truly has been blessed with his own ANGEL.

Lastly, Mardhi, we all know him and envy him because of his beauty lady Jay, but Mardhi is a naturally  good guy, he must be, otherwise I suspect Jay would not be with a jerk for this long and anytime I have seen him in the bar, he is ALWAYS gracious and always up for a chat. Regardless if it's about one of the girls in the bar or on a new venture he's thinking about, he too is another one who can be a great friend to anyone in Thailand. Remember, he is with these girls every day and sees and hears it all and though I wouldn't go in nightly and run his ear off, he is a good person if you have questions pertaining to the thoughts of the Guess Bar girls. But then again, he never has found out why Joy ignores me, but I'm not going to get ranting in that issue again...hahaha.

With regards to Billy, I don't know him and I never have had the pleasure of meeting him or even messaged or spoken to him, but I do love the reports!!!! What he pays for his women is his business. If he pays 100 baht LT or 10,000 baht LT....It's his business!!!! There have been mention about his manner or his "lack there of" when he is with his conquests. I personally treat every lady I am with graciously and with total respect and I would expect the rest to do the same. I mean I can be as filthy in bed as the next guy, but playing and being respectful to them personally is two totally different things. Granted, when I am sitting with a girl in a bar and she is stroking my cock and I whisper to her that:

"I want to peel the dress off her and suck her cock and fuck her till she screams and cums buckets"

Granted this isn't exactly gracious and respectful to say, I never mean any disrespect to her personally and I never EVER show any form of aggression or  disrespect to her personally, it's always the situation and the girls at this point know the difference between playful activity and aggressive unwanted activity. Like they say, No means NO!!!! If a girl says she doesn't want me to fuck her in the bum, I don't force her and do it anyway and I have NEVER EVER offered her more money to do it either. No MEANS NO!!!! Plain and simple! I can't be any clearer than that.

I spoke to one guy one night who was asking me about a certain girl in Nana and I told him that she doesn't swallow and he said "Yeah, that's what they say, but if show them whose paying here, they do it." I asked him what he meant and he said that when you pay these women, they asses are yours to do with as you like. If you want to bareback them or cum in their mouths, they know what they have to endure what they enter this business. When they take the baht from you, he said quote "You own them". He then said don't let them control the situation my friend (his comment of my friend made my skin crawl at this point) and if they start any bullshit, you just show them who is the boss. I suspect he meant physically. I told him he was out of his mind for even thinking like this and he was going to end up in an alley somewhere with his balls cut off if he ever starts slapping around any of these ladies. If you are bad to one, they all will know it and the guy called me a pussy as I walked away calling him an asshole. I was shamed at this point to be an American because this guy was California, but I told him my nick online, so he was thinking I was from Scotland.

I suspect many of the girls endure ones like him on a regular basis but I truly believe that you can't force these girls to do anything just because you pay them 15 or 30.00 dollars....

Even though I can speak dirty to these women when we are playing, I was raised with manners and even at 48 years of age and living here where the women are beautiful and available by the hundreds, I still speak and treat them as I would any woman I was dating, with RESPECT. So when people have reported that Billy doesn't treat all his women respectfully, I truly hope these reports are wrong and that Billy is truly a mans man and I REALLY do love his reports, his pictures are great and he does get some lovelies. I know he understands the truth about these girls lives, he's been with a lot of these women and like has been reported, he is very quick to take them away for holidays and such and being with them so much, he surely knows what their lives are like and what they endure on a day to day basis. I have to admit at time I do envy his ability to get the beauties he has, but I have seen others here that get just as equally beautiful women because they are themselves.....Overall good guys.

But, with regards to the money issue, most will all sit back and say we hate to part with more than we have too, but remember when you are bartering a girl down. If your from America as I am.....500 baht = around $14.28 US dollars and for 1000 baht = $28.56 US Dollars. For Christ sake guys, to argue with a girl over such pitiful amounts of money, we should all be ashamed of ourselves. How many of us have gone to McDonalds and stuffed our faces and spent 200 baht only to shit it out 12 hours later. This is a woman's livelihood we are talking about and not only that, what about her dignity. She is selling her body for 14 dollars for 2-3 hours and most will let you do ANYTHING for that time too.

I was with Boy from Cascades the other night and for 500 baht, she gave me a VERY VERY memorable encounter and to sit back and think about it, where else but Thailand could you get such a beauty for 14.00 for the 2 or 3 hours I was with her.  She asked me what I wanted to pay, she asked and figured I would start low and I said 500 baht and she said 1000 and I of course said...."Ohhhh no no and laughed" and she said an important thing just then and it reminded me when I read a similar thing earlier in this post regarding when the girls ask you questions about where you're from, where you are staying, what you do for a living. They do check you out. In the past, when the girls find out I live here by asking where specifically (what part of the city, not which Lumipini I live in...haha. They know I do in fact live here and truly think they ALWAYS give me the cheaper rate.  When I was bartering with Boy the other night, it was playful and she and I both knew it, but I believe the reports when they say times are tough now for some of these girls. I have bar fined a few lately and they seem thrilled to get the work.  

When I walk around Nana as of late, there are a lot of people wandering around and sitting and drinking, but I suspect the bar fines are less than they were a year ago and I say this by the reactions of the girls when you do bar fine one. When I bar fined Boy the other night, she screamed with excitement.

Now I am in no way close to being a "Handsome Sam", so I know she wasn't thrilled because she was going with this gorgeous handsome man. She made me feel like I was a friggen superstar and the way she way playing and teasing my cock for 30 minutes I suspect she may have been horny, but  I am a 48 year old guy, with semi gray hair and have been busted up and broken so many times, I have scars from operations that look like a roadmap, but not hideous or at least I hope not anyway, but I am just a "REGULAR GUY" and to have these her in my bed and being playful and nice to me, I felt honored. And to sit there and argue her down lower I would have felt ashamed, I felt bad enough that she agreed to 500 so quick that I gave her a good tip too.

I'm not ever out to beat them financially when ever I'm out mongering and I always tip them well if they are exceptional and put any form of effort into the event and believe me, it doesn't take much to impress me either. I have bought by share of shoes and makeup for these girls and money has never really been an issue. I have spent big money for some I thought were worthy and some have been worthy and some have been duds. I was in awe of Emma for a long time and she was with out a doubt the biggest disappointment of my life and even to this day, I feel I threw the money away the night I was with her. But I have been with some for long periods of time and like some here that have had long term LB girlfriends, you get additional insight to what they think, how the girls work and act and how they view us. Remember all it takes is one jerk to spoil it for the rest. The girls will ALWAYS remember the one bad date versus the ten great ones.

With regards to money though, remember, you spend 35,000-70,000 baht to get your asses here every trip, yet I see punters at the airport EVERY SINGLE time....arguing about the cost either to Pattaya by private taxi or into Bangkok. I never go to the airport that I don't see some moron yelling about having to pay the tolls. I have also seen guys in bars arguing with girls over 100 baht or the price of a lady drink and they will stand there and call the girls names and accuse them of everything under the sun for what, 100 baht or $2.85 US. Excuse me guys, you paid $1000.00 dollars to come here, you pay 35 baht for dinner from vendors, you can get a gorgeous Thai women in you bed for the entire night that will fuck and suck you into nearly a coma for less than 70.00 dollars and your arguing over less than 3.00? Wake up and smell the god damn coffee!!!

We all have are opinions of what they will pay and won't pay. Some of us understand the ways of the bar scene more than others and I don't claim to be anything more than a newbie even though I live here and play occasionally, but I am not a cheap Charlie normally. I take all the advice on here and valuable knowledge and with each piece and stick it into my brain and store it there for future reference.

But I also understand the value of being a nice guy in this country as well. Hell, I had my car waxed on Sunday and gave the kid a 100 baht tip and he didn't know what to say, but he did a good job and deserved it. The GG I live with was livid that I did it, but he did a great job and the car looked FANTASTIC. I could have paid the price agreed upon and left and nothing would have been said, but one thing I have found living here, if you treat regulars well, they ALWAYS remember you and they ALWAYS go the extra later on. It doesn't matter if it's a lady selling donuts on the street near Chong Nonsi BTS or the girl selling her body at Cascades.  They always remember!!!!

So in closing, I know this thread will go on and on and PLEASE don't slam me for my views, they are "my views" that's all and if I didn't praise any of the regulars I know on here, Mick, Ozzie, Gizmo and especially Donny, it's not that I don't think the world of you, you're all great guys and am thankful for the chance to chat with you, but I could only brag about just so many.
But remember, these women are out there doing a job and regardless if whether a woman is fucking you silly or sweeping the street, they deserve respect regardless of what they do for a job. If you clearly show them respect and few extra baht, I promise it will come back to you ten times over.
Nhscotsman

[paultain]

(Stogie @ Dec. 29 2008,17:44) Good answer to my ramblings... I often get it wrong.  

I don't suppose you'd still consider doing the Photo thread!    

Stoogie were you referring to me?

[pacman]

Must be, and try spelling his name right,

Stoogie, good grief.....

[paultain]

nhscotsman,

That was a very nice post, very heartily and down to earth. Thanks for sharing that.
It reminded me when I went shopping in the market, for supplies for my restaurant. I was always taught, there were 3 prices for the same item. One price for the farang tourist, one price for the farang how lives there, and lastly the price for the Thai.

[paultain]

(pacman @ Dec. 29 2008,20:10) Must be, and try spelling his name right,

Stoogie, good grief.....    

Sorry Pacman/ Stogie

Silly me, just realized that.

[Naang Faa]

What can I say about Suay other than she is a woman who is class through and through and is one of the nicest women I have ever had the opportunity to speak with and though often times she is outspoken, you have to understand that she speaks on behalf of the females. This is a crucial point, Suay knows many ladies personally and can give us GREAT insight what they really think and how they operate their lives on a day to day basis. We kid her about having outstanding tits and though I have never seen them personally, I can look at Suays picture and see a lot more than a beautiful pair of boobs and see a a true angel. I look at her with a special feeling in my heart and I can suspect that any guy that has this woman in his life truly has been blessed with his own ANGEL.

I don't know who this "Suay" is...but she sounds bloody fantastic

Money Still Number One......
By..
Neil Hutchinson..
Firstly..
You must have incredibly low self-esteem because you obviously believe the only way to get someone to like you is to throw money at them...
Secondly..
You are doing a disservice to your fellow falung by giving Thais the impression that we are all rich and think nothing of paying exorbitant price...

Really i think fellow farang owe you f-all consideration..You are not a "toff" if you value the girls
company more than another and as for class,well,thats all about who you are not,how much you
earn or where you're from..Treat others like objects is no class at all..

" There is no such thing as absolute value in this world. You can only estimate what a thing is worth to you"
*Charles Dudley Warner*
x

[Guest]

One price for the farang tourist, one price for the farang how lives there, and lastly the price for the Thai.

is there another price for South east Asians? not sure if this is true but someone told me that Asians also get cheaper then falangs?excluding the japs of course.

[69billy]

(Naang Faa @ Dec. 29 2008,17:10)  Really i think fellow farang owe you f-all consideration..You are not a "toff" if you value the girls
 company more than another and as for class,well,thats all about who you are not,how much you
 earn or where you're from..Treat others like objects is no class at all..

 

Some wouldn't know what is "class" is..even if its bites there ass of...

[Stogie]

(paultain @ Dec. 29 2008,20:36)

(pacman @ Dec. 29 2008,20:10) Must be, and try spelling his name right,

Stoogie, good grief.....    

Sorry Pacman/ Stogie

Silly me, just realized that.

It's one thing to post stuff I don't agree with but spelling my name wrong...

Boys... the stones...

[Stogie]

I have a feeling that Paultain is probably better at getting his message across in person than on the forum. having reread the thread from start to finish i think I made an inaccurate impression of the fella...

NOW will you tell us all the dirty little secrets that you are keeping to yourself?