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(69billy @ Mar. 13 2008,01:57) ...Better looking girls OK except one
Somchai
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Hey Stogie,
Sombat pointed me to this thread as he didn't know how to answer.
Personally, it's more than a bit cheeky that he'd post that opening (which technically is spam as it's an unsolicited advertisement) and the right thing to do, would have been to touch base with you first and get your ok. Thanks for being so cool and pragmatic about it and please feel free, to add you links or chat on either lblbforum.com or tgirltalk.com. As you know Asian TS and Grooby have always had a great relationship both as businesses and the owners are personal friends who chat regularly.
I won't get into a debate over which site is best, as it's a little pointless and completely subjective. The smart surfer buys a month at AsianTS - the leaves and buys a month at LBLB and then maybe (if he's not so smart ;-)) tries out one of the imitators sites. All I will say on LBLB, is that we may have changed quite a lot since your last visit. The updates are still big (7 sets per week) but we've been putting up a lot more hardcore as well as HD video and longer videos.
Take a look: http://join.ladyboy-ladyboy.com/trac...LjEuMC4wLjAuMA
Stogie, we should have a chat about some mutual promotion or how we can do some business together, as I understand your running this completely now? Drop me a line at [email protected] when you get the time!
I'll go and surf around some of the more interesting threads now
Ta
seanchai
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(tampanugget_2001 @ Mar. 12 2008,13:55) On LB2 as well as a couple other Grooby sites, there seems to be a lack of quality control. What's the point on having "30 new photo sets" if 2/3's of them are fat and ugly. A good start would be to just say no to photographing any ladyboy/shemale that have a passing resembalance to a cow.
ATS seems to screen its models better.
a) It works, our sites retain members and continue to get more members. Shemale Yum which has the largest diversity of models types and looks is the most successful of our sites and continues to be the most prominent TS erotica site.
b) Every model we've ever shown has fans and fan mail.
Porn is in the eye of the user. What may not turn you on, will turn someone else on. Many of the models we've worked with who haven't been particularly attractive to me have ended up being our most popular. There are micro-niches within the niche of transsexual porn - BBW shemales, Asian shemales, transvestite types, tatted shemales, Black shemales, Superstar models and girls next door. They all sell.
30 new photosets where 2/3 of them aren't your type gives you 10 that are your type, which is more than most websites would offer. Most members appreciate that while not every model if their cup of tea, we will deliver some that are.
You can say what you like about our business model but it works, we've been doing it for 11 years, we get more models to work with us than any other company (US based) and practically every other site has imitated us in some ways (although to be fair we've paid the compliment back 10-fold and copied many good ideas on other websites). Many others sites look at who we shoot and use the sites as a resource for seeing who looks good/largest cock on camera and whose getting good feedback - this goes on in Thailand all the time.
So we'll continue to shoot every TS/TV/Ladyboy whom we want, whether she bears a resemblance to a cow or not.
seanchai
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(seanchai @ Mar. 12 2008,23:40)(tampanugget_2001 @ Mar. 12 2008,13:55) On LB2 as well as a couple other Grooby sites, there seems to be a lack of quality control. What's the point on having "30 new photo sets" if 2/3's of them are fat and ugly. A good start would be to just say no to photographing any ladyboy/shemale that have a passing resembalance to a cow.
ATS seems to screen its models better.
seanchaiSo many Ladyboys so little time..
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(seanchai @ Mar. 13 2008,05:40)(tampanugget_2001 @ Mar. 12 2008,13:55) On LB2 as well as a couple other Grooby sites, there seems to be a lack of quality control. What's the point on having "30 new photo sets" if 2/3's of them are fat and ugly. A good start would be to just say no to photographing any ladyboy/shemale that have a passing resembalance to a cow.
ATS seems to screen its models better.
a) It works, our sites retain members and continue to get more members. Shemale Yum which has the largest diversity of models types and looks is the most successful of our sites and continues to be the most prominent TS erotica site.
b) Every model we've ever shown has fans and fan mail.
Porn is in the eye of the user. What may not turn you on, will turn someone else on. Many of the models we've worked with who haven't been particularly attractive to me have ended up being our most popular. There are micro-niches within the niche of transsexual porn - BBW shemales, Asian shemales, transvestite types, tatted shemales, Black shemales, Superstar models and girls next door. They all sell.
30 new photosets where 2/3 of them aren't your type gives you 10 that are your type, which is more than most websites would offer. Most members appreciate that while not every model if their cup of tea, we will deliver some that are.
You can say what you like about our business model but it works, we've been doing it for 11 years, we get more models to work with us than any other company (US based) and practically every other site has imitated us in some ways (although to be fair we've paid the compliment back 10-fold and copied many good ideas on other websites). Many others sites look at who we shoot and use the sites as a resource for seeing who looks good/largest cock on camera and whose getting good feedback - this goes on in Thailand all the time.
So we'll continue to shoot every TS/TV/Ladyboy whom we want, whether she bears a resemblance to a cow or not.
seanchai
Somethings wrong when half the models swollen guts make me think they are in liver failure and to make it worse they look like Rosie O'Donnell in liver failure.
To each his own, but I like quality over dross.
I will contrast this with the ATS models to whom at least 75% of them I want to bend over the nearest table and fuck the hell out of.
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(seanchai @ Mar. 13 2008,05:40) b) Every model we've ever shown has fans and fan mail. Porn is in the eye of the user. What may not turn you on, will turn someone else on.
(seanchai @ Mar. 13 2008,05:40) So we'll continue to shoot every TS/TV/Ladyboy whom we want, whether she bears a resemblance to a cow or not.
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(tampanugget_2001 @ Mar. 13 2008,14:58) To each his own, but I like quality over dross.
I will contrast this with the ATS models to whom at least 75% of them I want to bend over the nearest table and fuck the hell out of.
So the Black girls aren't your thing - there isn't much cross-over between guys who like Asian porn and guys who like Black porn, two different lines of customers completely.
Some guys just like the Thai girls - some like Asians from all countries. The Filipino girls we show have equally as many guys who absolutely love them as those who have no interest, which is why we show a selection of different types.
Your entitled to your opinion and as a consumer, you've obviously made your choice where to shop for which is good value for your wants. Another individual has completely different wants and needs.
It would be incredibly egocentric, to confuse your personal preferences with everybody elses likes and desires.
seanchai
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(tampanugget_2001 @ Mar. 13 2008,14:58)(seanchai @ Mar. 13 2008,05:40)Originally posted by tampanugget_2001,Mar. 12 2008,13:55On LB2 as well as a couple other Grooby sites, there seems to be a lack of quality control. What's the point on having "30 new photo sets" if 2/3's of them are fat and ugly. A good start would be to just say no to photographing any ladyboy/shemale that have a passing resembalance to a cow.
ATS seems to screen its models better.
aLB2 is your site and your free to pursue any business model you see fit. However anytime I see preview pics from either LB2 or Black T-girls, the ratio of ugly to decent looking girls actively encourages not to join said sites.
Somethings wrong when half the models swollen guts make me think they are in liver failure and to make it worse they look like Rosie O'Donnell in liver failure.
To each his own, but I like quality over dross.
I will contrast this with the ATS models to whom at least 75% of them I want to bend over the nearest table and fuck the hell out of.
I like women whether they are RGs or ladyboys - though my preference is sliding towards ladyboys.
However, if you offered me a Western woman - I would run a mile. I just no longer find them attractive - nor have I since I first arrived in Thailand 10 years ago. Maybe its their attitudes. Maybe its my past experiences with them. Whatever - I dont like them- I hardly ever find them attractive.For me the same applies to Western transsexuals.
Another thing about Western women - is their size. They have much bigger frames than Thai women and the propesity in the West now, is that everyone is getting heavier - fatter if you like.
Now to return to what you were saying about overweight girls on Grooby sites. I think many on the Western sites could be considered heavyer BUT ONLY when specifically compared to Asians who generally have tiny bodies. BUT within their own Western culture they are considered normal AND attractive. The frame and body size of Western Grooby models is totally consistent with the frame and body size that Western guys, living in the West, like in both RGs and transsexuals. And their looks are also consistent with Western likes aswell.
I have said already, I vote for Asians everytime. But, the very success of our Western websites shows that we get it right most of the time and have done for over 10 years. I think what I have said about Western women also applies to our black girls and our Brazillian girls. Most of them - not my cup of tea- but dearly loved and much valued and appreciated elsewhere.
Some things were also said about LBLB models being overweight and ugly. Again I have to disagree. I see many of our models later appearing on other websites and we know that contact information on LBLB for the different models is used by other websites to make contact with models we have shot, in order for them to do a photoshoot. How do we know- the girls tell us so. Why would that be if 2/3 of our models were ugly? Too many photographers with poor vision out there maybe!
Or is it that you consider yourselves the only true arbiter of attractiveness. If so, a bit arrogant that! And if we all liked the same look there would be a very long queue for a few and you and me might be at the back of it!
Best wishes aka Somchai - Admin LBLBforum
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To be fair, Somchai we do go after some BBW shemales on purpose as they sell incredibly well. If anyone ever was in their right mind to start either a promotional site or a pay site on BBW shemales, they'd do pretty nicely out of it.
I was off white women before I'd even set foot in Asia.
After visiting and working upstate NY (from the UK) in my late teens and early 20's - and having two consecutive Filipino girlfriends, followed by a Korean one ... I was hooked and sold (there wasn't much choice of Asians in Newcastle!).
BTW - the argument that Asians are a naturally slim race ? I challenge anyone to come to Hawaii. the Asian girls here are fucking huge. Take an Asian girl and give her the American diet, sit back, open a beer and watch the ballooning happen.
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I believe that people join a website on the strength of ONE girl that they want to see more of.
It's nice to have a lot of updates but I'll bet that almost everyone would choose quality over quantity.
But then the more updates that you have the more chance that you'll get a hit with all your viewers.
I'm not a member of LBLB but like AsianTS.com they appear to feature a lot of Asian ladyboys each month and you can't ever say that it's not great value for money.
What buyers should REALLY be wary of is the slew of newer sites that have great 'tours' and promo pages but almost nothing in the 'pay' area!
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