Sappho's Sisters

[surferboy]

(Looker @ Feb. 22 2008,17:17) On the opposite, chatting with a Filipino-chinese crossdresser whom I know, (s)he was telling me of being totally disgusted by the smell and appearance of a vagina.

Any guy who lisps this is surely .

[Looker]

(surferboy @ Feb. 22 2008,22:00)

(Looker @ Feb. 22 2008,17:17) On the opposite, chatting with a Filipino-chinese crossdresser whom I know, (s)he was telling me of being totally disgusted by the smell and appearance of a vagina.

Any guy who lisps this is surely .

I think (s)he has no problem in saying that
But I'm kind of attracted to to HER

[bigmick22]

(Naang Faa @ Feb. 22 2008,09:00)  I know a few other girls who like guys but will get a little carried away when fooling
 around...

that reminds me ... whatever happened to those pictures of your housemates fooling around?

They were going to be my reward for helping push you over the 1000 posts mark

[statuesque]

(surferboy @ Feb. 22 2008,21:51)

(statuesque @ Feb. 22 2008,17:16) As for me, Ive never been with another TG.

I assume you prefer guys, but how about a GG?

No Ive never been with a GG before. Not that I was trying to make a huge effort to avoid them, I was just into guys as far as I can remember, simple as that.  

But come to think of it, now that my gender identity and sexual preference are more defined (since knowing about the TG community for the first time last four years ago), its funny how I feel more relaxed to be openminded about several things. Not that Im intentionally looking out for them as well, but if they do come my way I feel secured and self-assured to, well, try anything once.
Like I dont really need to put too much effort to provide contrast to my femininity by having a lot of sex with men just to feel like a woman because I know I AM a woman regardless of amount of hormones I take, mascara I apply or male suitors I turn down (although Im not disregarding the fact that having sex/making love with a guy for me provides that strong yet fleeting affirmation of femininity every transgirl aims to relish).  

Does this make sense?   Perhaps Im talking about binary opposites here (you need war to define what peace is). Sorry guys, I just woke up here!!!    


S

[surferboy]

(statuesque @ Feb. 23 2008,09:23) (although Im not disregarding the fact that having sex/making love with a guy for me provides that strong yet fleeting affirmation of femininity every transgirl aims to relish).

Do these guys fulfill you though? I mean, you're a woman in mind and soul, yet most of these guys are clearly interested in penises and probably, in many cases, enjoy assuming the feminine role themselves and also probably don't even get turned on by GG's, so when they are making love to you, how do you reconcile that they are interested in what remains most male about you?

[rxpharm]

(surferboy @ Feb. 23 2008,11:42) Do these guys fulfill you though? I mean, you're a woman in mind and soul, yet most of these guys are clearly interested in penises and probably, in many cases, enjoy assuming the feminine role themselves and also probably don't even get turned on by GG's, so when they are making love to you, how do you reconcile that they are interested in what remains most male about you?

Where do you get the idea that most of the guys interested in a preop ts enjoy assuming the feminine role themselves? If you do some more reading and research you will discover your assumption is not valid.

As for guys who are interested in preop TS not being turned on by ggs - I think you are also making another assumption that is not valid. Many of the guys here are interested in beautiful, hot ggs as wells as ts. There may be a differences in preferences, but not necessarily in the actual sensation of being "turned on" by a hot woman, either gg or ts.

If you are truly a FTM ts, contact Stogie Bear or Naang Faa to see if you can become a member of the "sorority".

Some of your questions border on being "too personal" so if you would like to know more, you can use the private message (PM) feature to correspond with specific board members.

[surferboy]

(rxpharm @ Feb. 23 2008,14:02) Where do you get the idea that most of the guys interested in a preop ts enjoy assuming the feminine role themselves? If you do some more reading and research you will discover your assumption is not valid.

Why don't you check out this survey (Been Fucked?), big guy?

Currently, it seems that at least 52% of respondents have taken it up the ass and ENJOYED IT, and another 17% want to try it!

There seems to be no majority there at the bottom! And surely, those guys are not enjoying the feminine role, because letting someone fuck you up the ass is totally masculine, right?

Given that you also like pre-ops, I wonder where you fit in? Or is that the right way to phrase that question?

My wager is that if YOU "...do some more reading and research you will discover your assumption is not valid."

[statuesque]

I will have to agree with the points stated here by rxpharm - that (1) Guys into preop TS dont necessarily enjoy assuming feminine roles during sex and (2) There are guys who fancy both GGs and TGs on the same level.  

I think that there might be a confusion in your part surferboy about the difference of using the term "feminine role" from the "passive role". Those are two different worlds away, I believe. Most men who enjoy sex with a preop TG and are "on the receiving end of things" assume the "passive role" during sex. THAT doesnt necessarily mean feminine right away, correct? Besides, what IS feminine role during sex anyway? Is there even a clear-cut definition to that? I mean scholars, scientists, and wizards of all sorts are turning their brains upside-down just to define what feminine means and STILL have no clue to it up to now, how can one even start explaining what "feminine role during sex" is?!?   So is there like 100% feminine role or partially-feminine maybe?  Is it the anatomy? Passivity? Tenderness? Lingerie?

And to answer your question surferboy (about having to reconcile my self-concept of femininity with these guys only interested with penises), I will have to throw back another question to you. Are you assuming that Im actually preop?    


S

[stogie bear]

Most men who enjoy sex with a preop TG and are "on the receiving end of things" assume the "passive role" during sex. THAT doesn't necessarily mean feminine right away, correct?

Spot on, statuesque. It's becoming clearer to me that you are very important to this forum...

Keep posting and educating us all.

[surferboy]

(statuesque @ Feb. 24 2008,00:40) I will have to agree with the points stated here by rxpharm - that (1) Guys into preop TS dont necessarily enjoy assuming feminine roles during sex and (2) There are guys who fancy both GGs and TGs on the same level.  

I think that there might be a confusion in your part surferboy about the difference of using the term "feminine role" from the "passive role". Those are two different worlds away, I believe. Most men who enjoy sex with a preop TG and are "on the receiving end of things" assume the "passive role" during sex. THAT doesnt necessarily mean feminine right away, correct? Besides, what IS feminine role during sex anyway? Is there even a clear-cut definition to that? I mean scholars, scientists, and wizards of all sorts are turning their brains upside-down just to define what feminine means and STILL have no clue to it up to now, how can one even start explaining what "feminine role during sex" is?!?   So is there like 100% feminine role or partially-feminine maybe?  Is it the anatomy? Passivity? Tenderness? Lingerie?

And to answer your question surferboy (about having to reconcile my self-concept of femininity with these guys only interested with penises), I will have to throw back another question to you. Are you assuming that Im actually preop?    


S

Regarding if you are pre-op, I think that is clear from previous posts.

Personally, I think I can recognize femininity when I see it. I don't care if there is an academic attempting to ruminate about such characteristics. These "scholars, scientists, and wizards of all sorts" need to get on with solving the real issues facing humanity.

I also believe that if a guy takes it up the ass, he is assuming both a passive and a feminine role.

I am not stipulating that such a stud cannot present a masculine demeanor most of the time. But the act of receiving a penis, asswise, is a feminine, passive activity. People that want to tell me that getting fucked up the ass is passive, but not feminine, are, IMHO, not living in the real world. There are people who believe such fantasies, but there are also dykes who think they should be able to go without a shirt in public because they see no difference between a man's and a woman's chest.

I beg to differ. Call me old-fashioned, but I still believe in gender roles, and I think that some actions and characteristics are more specific to one gender than another.

[stogie bear]

I also believe that if a guy takes it up the ass, he is assuming both a passive and a feminine role...

You are wrong and you'll be hard put to find anyone that will support you either.

Are you saying that two gay men having anal sex - there is always one that assumes the feminine role? Rubbish.

It's just this kind of ignorant 'gendernomics' that sells books though! Women will buy pretty much anything that reinvents their role from being servile and feminine into being self asserting and professional!

(Gendernomics is my word and no-one else is allowed to use it, ok?)

[surferboy]

(stogie bear @ Feb. 24 2008,01:11)

I also believe that if a guy takes it up the ass, he is assuming both a passive and a feminine role...

You are wrong and you'll be hard put to find anyone that will support you either.

That may be true, but it's no reason to submit to another's incorrect thinking!

(stogie bear @ Feb. 24 2008,01:11) Are you saying that two gay men having anal sex - there is always one that assumes the feminine role? Rubbish.

I agree it's rubbish too, and quite repulsive in fact.

There are gays who have convinced themselves that taking it up the ass is neither feminine NOR passive. See "Sodomy and Sorcery" for an, erm, activist's position. People are entitled to their own thoughts, but I'm entitled to think they're bum too.

(stogie bear @ Feb. 24 2008,01:11) It's just this kind of ignorant 'gendernomics' that sells books though! Women will buy pretty much anything that reinvents their role from being servile and feminine into being self asserting and professional!  

Some women like it both ways; they want to feel alternatively passive and feminine at times, while still maintaining the option of being self-asserting and active. Oprah pushes this sort of dualism.

But only a namby-pamby, post-Michael Jackson Thriller man would insist on the same for men. Men should act like men.

[stogie bear]

But only a namby-pamby, post-Michael Jackson Thriller man would insist on the same for men. Men should act like men.

I do agree with that. This generation of fagmen won't win any wars in the future, that's for sure.

[statuesque]

(surferboy @ Feb. 24 2008,01:06) Call me old-fashioned

Call me a revolutionary then!!!    

I wouldnt know where youre coming from surferboy, but being a male-to-female transgender myself have brought radical changes into my life so much so that the extent of my understanding of human sexuality or gender-specific roles is very fluid.  

I was born male, yes. But my gender is female, yes. So since Im female, are you saying that to assume a feminine role means I should only be attracted to males?! Thats a resounding no! Again it boils down to how you define what "feminine role" is!
Being a transgender myself has taught me not to delineate the three aspects of human sexuality: assigned sex at birth, gender identity and sexual preference.
Stereotyping means if your assigned sex at birth is male THEREFORE your gender identity is male THEREFORE you should be attracted to the opposite sex (females) only. Thats heterosexualism, yes, but in a classical, limiting sense. Transgenderism means your assigned sex at birth should be opposite of your gender identity, BUT it doesnt matter who you want to sleep with!   Even more so, HOW!  

I have freed myself from the chains of the ignorant world by being a transgender myself, why do you think I should limit myself now as to who gets to be feminine or masculine on bed?  


S

[surferboy]

(statuesque @ Feb. 24 2008,01:39)

(surferboy @ Feb. 24 2008,01:06) Call me old-fashioned

Call me a revolutionary then!!!    

I wouldnt know where youre coming from surferboy, but being a male-to-female transgender myself have brought radical changes into my life so much so that the extent of my understanding of human sexuality or gender-specific roles is very fluid.  

I was born male, yes. But my gender is female, yes. So since Im female, are you saying that to assume a feminine role means I should only be attracted to males?! Thats a resounding no! Again it boils down to how you define what "feminine role" is!
Being a transgender myself has taught me not to delineate the three aspects of human sexuality: assigned sex at birth, gender identity and sexual preference.
Stereotyping means if your assigned sex at birth is male THEREFORE your gender identity is male THEREFORE you should be attracted to the opposite sex (females) only. Thats heterosexualism, yes, but in a classical, limiting sense. Transgenderism means your assigned sex at birth should be opposite of your gender identity, BUT it doesnt matter who you want to sleep with!   Even more so, HOW!  

I have freed myself from the chains of the ignorant world by being a transgender myself, why do you think I should limit myself now as to who gets to be feminine or masculine on bed?  


S

Revolutionary?! That does not do you justice! I'll call you beautiful and intelligent and mind-blowing!

You have nicely delineated 3 aspects of human sexuality: assigned sex at birth, gender identity and sexual preference. Any of these can be either male/masculine or female/feminine (I'll leave it to Brocklanders to say if these are dichotomous variables or some sort of continuum...!)

To these I would add a fourth dimension of human sexuality: preferred role during sex. This fourth dimension is not quite the same thing as the others; indeed, I believe it is very distinct from the other three aspects. A genetic male who considers himself a man (assigned sex at birth and gender identity) might prefer female entitities (and therefore consider himself straight), but during sex might enjoy getting fucked (arguably not very masculine).

This is not me, but it is not a hypothetical case either. There are actually guys like this. And a good number of them are probably some of the ladyboy lovers. So even though most aspects about their human sexuality are "male" or "masculine" (assigned gender at birth, gender identity, sexual preference), I stipulate that their preferred role during sex is a separate aspect of human sexuality, and in this case, is passive/feminine.

Maybe I'm crazy, that may be true. But this fourth dimension is not that original, nor very Rod Serlingesque... and it is not the once-discussed "Ziggy Zone."