Gay or Not

[Torurot]

>>Well, I know for certain that I fall in the Gay or Not category...

kahuna >>

Kahuna, being in the relatively "older" bracket, Gay in your day meant "Happy", so I guess that makes you Gay!

[stogie bear]

Labels are for the minds of the uninformed and the jackets of the uniformed!

[kahuna]

(Torurot @ Apr. 21 2007,18:46) Kahuna, being in the relatively "older" bracket, Gay in your day meant "Happy", so I guess that makes you Gay!  

I'm not relatively older...I am ancient...

And you're right, in my youth gay meant happy...we used the word "homo" to refer to gay guys...

So I suppose today that would make me a happy homo...

[kahuna]

(stogie bear @ Apr. 21 2007,19:00) Labels are for the minds of the uninformed and the jackets of the uniformed!

I disagree..if it wasn't for labels I'd put my T-Shirts on wrong side out and backwards...

But truth is even with labels I still end up wrong side out and backwards...

[Guest]

If it wasn't for labels, this site would have no customers.

It has customers because of the label Asian and TS.

The idea labels make no difference is ridiculous. I'm not saying I personally like labels, but to think society is immune to labels, and that anyone on this forum doesn't use them every day, is denial in the extreme. I know, I know, a long repeated debate.

But if the asiants owners and web masters don't agree with labels, let's try changing the site name to asian people and see what happens.

[Tomcat]

I agree totally. Any type of Humanistic or Scientific study needs labels otherwise it would impossible to have a conversation or write about anything Academic period,
whether its Dinosuars, different species of Butterflies, Class, Race or Gender....

[moe666]

Labels are a fact of life, but do you except the label/ or lables someone else placed on you?

[Road Runner]

I don't make em.... someone else does that.

I'm supposed to wear it though..... when I remember

RR.

[Guest]

I find ladyboys sexually attractive because of the femine qualities they exude. There is also a sense of intrigue which might make them more appealing than women to me, in some cases. My sexual fantasies (still? lol) revolve mainly around real women. However, as I said, there is something far more intriguing and exciting about a ladyboy, which probably appeals more towards factors of attraction, other than merly physical.

Now, if asked point blank whether I was gay or not, it would be a clear "no" for me. However, I realize that these labels/definitions are really abstract. Many people would proabably say that my views and feelings towards ladyboys would automatically make me gay. I would argue that I am not attracted to males though. A logical way to break it down would be to explain that I have never been attracted to "maleness". For instance, let's pick a guy that we could unanimously say is good-looking. Perhaps Brad Pitt, or Johnny Depp. As a "straight" male, I would say that they are good-looking guys. But I could never entertain a sexual thought about them, let alone actually engage in anything. My attraction for ladyboys is not some kind of repressed gay tendency by any stretch of the imagination. Of course, I'm not a psychologist, so I don't know what subconscious factors might come into play. However, consciously, there is nothing in me that is attracted to masculinity or maleness in that way.

However, if I were to hypothetically explain my aforementioned rationale to anyone, there will probably be a significant percentage of people who would still view me as being gay. If that's the case, so be it. But let me explain an example of asinine logic which some of us may have encountered. Let's say there is someone who knows about a certain attraction I have for a particular ladyboy. Now, this person would start looking at me and asking me questions like, "Do you think that guy is cute? What do you think about this guy or that way?" And the question would obviously be about how I may view a certain guy in a sexual light. My internal response would be, "I'm not into guys you stupid m&")..f(&%er. Yes, I am attracted to a certain super-model type of ladyboy. But there is absolutely nothing in common between the ladyboy I'm attracted to and that guy you just pointed out (except for a cock lol)." But you all get my point?

But as I mentioned, labels are abstract.

Having said all of what I said, I do feel like there is a paradox which I am "guilty" of. Someone said in an earlier post, something to the effect of "I'm not attracted to guys, but part of the reason I'm attracted to ladyboys is because I know that they were once a guy." This is very paradoxical, but I would say that there is a significant level of truth to that statement in my case. I find the fact that ladyboys were once guys to be intriguing and stimulating, and sexual. It's a kind of sexual attraction that is very unique and distinctly different from what I would feel from a gg.

At the end of the day, would my attraction to ladyboys make me gay? Would my attraction to a ladyboy's cock "officially" make me gay? Is there a certain rationale or justification that would clearly separate the boundary between straight/gay? For example, if you think in a certain way and suck some LB cock, you are straight, but if you think in another way and suck LB cock, you are gay.

At the end of the day, I still know I am straight. But it's probably irrelevant. Because when I break it down, it comes down to "I'm attracted to this, but I'm not attracted to that. " I say, fuck the justification and labels, and fuck looking at it as simply an issue of which organ you were born with."

Incidentally, I'm very picky when it comes to gg's. Although I'm picky, I am also attracted to many types. I am attracted to women of many different ethnicities and cultures, as well as age group. They all bring something new, and turn me on in a different way, and stimulate different areas within me. But, definitely, I am not the type of person to get turned on by "any chick that I can fuck" like many of the guys who I know are.

At the end of the day, maybe our dicks know best lol. It's as simple as, if something turns us on, our cocks get hard. No use trying to overcomplicate things and over analyze. We are still the people that we are.

[alan1chef]

wow, excellent secretweapon, amen to that...my femboy gf posed this same question to me because that is what she was told by her friends, but i told her that i was not gay and that i prefer to see us as 2 people who are attracted to each other and who cares what others think....

[seamus]

Top man secretweapon, it was like reading my own mind ! Spoke to My Ladyboy friend the other day about "Am i gay for wanting to fuck you" She said "dont be a fucking idiot,if you were gay you would want to fuck a guy,not Me" ! Good point i thought

[alan1chef]

Yes, seamus, but does the same go for her as well?

[Road Runner]

(alan1chef @ Oct. 30 2007,19:02) Yes, seamus, but does the same go for her as well?

Hello Alan1chef,

Good point!

I've been challenged a few times myself by Thai ladyboys about wether I'm gay.

My line of questioning has always been;-


You think of yourself as a girl?  -  Yes.
And you have NO attraction to other girls?  -  NO!
So how does that make you gay?.......      
And I think of you as a girl and I'm not attracted to guys so does that make me gay?.........    


Herself asked this question of me quite early on in our relationship.
We've been together 4 years now and she has realised that I have NO attraction to guys and I know she has NO attraction to girls.


RR.

[alan1chef]

Road Runner, thank you for that observation! I will pass that on to my LB gf, who also sees herself as a girl, but with no other attraction to other girls. Society sees LB's as gay, however I would challenge that very idea. If LB's see themselves as girls and are not attracted to other girls, how can they be labeled "gay"? Isn't the definition of gay the attraction to the same sex?

[donnnnnny]

you are all puffs