Why do they become ladyboys?

[PigDogg]

(ziggystardust @ Aug. 07 2007,05:22) And has anyone actually visited a family other than me?

Yup, nice people, rice farmers, Mum, and some grown siblings in the same little village. papa passed away.
No one spoke any English.

Teerak said mum was not thrilled when she got her tits.
But in general she seems to value Mum's opinion.

She is the youngest of seven kids. Any evidence of ladyboys more likely to be the oldest, youngest, or middle kid? If there was then that would suggest nurture has a role.

[Looker]

(TTChang @ Aug. 09 2007,07:48) I can't really see how that type of influence would have happened during their first few years of life, so I voted genetics (for the majority).   But I'm no expert on LBs, just my observation.

We were born as blank tapes, and every single action, sound, word that we pick up from the very first moment we are out of Mom's womb serves to create our personality.
So, telling that the environment doesn't play any role it's like telling that we were born blind and deaf.
There are no studies proving that genetic contributes to some form of sexuality invertion. Also, a part from the hundreds of LBs we may have been with, I still don't see any real expert in here with the right qualification to talk about. We are just only guessing and insulting eachother for free.
What I can say, it's that genetic may partially play a role in the physical aspect of someone but definitely it's the personality building up that completes the whole process.
To put it simple, if someone was born (by genetic) with a smooth body and sort of feminine facial features, and it start growing up quietly and in a "whimpish" way without playing sports and tending to stay at home looking at what Mom and sis/bros are doing at home I/O getting his ass in the street to play, there may (just may!!) have the possibility to develop a sort of homosexual character that may (or not) blossom further in to the full being a female feeling.
If and when that happens, it will be extremely fast to start building up an attraction for same sex and the female acute sense of sexuality will kick in, even at a very tender age. It's simply what separates a man from being (more or less) hetero to be (more or less) homosex. We all have the same possibilities of becoming homosexual, just in some people this is dramatically enhanced by the surrounding conditions, the readings we may do, the kind of friends we may hang up with and, perhaps, also the not-so-well-proven theories like having an elder brother or a dominant father/mother and blah blah blah...

[kahuna]

(Looker @ Aug. 10 2007,10:57) We are just only guessing and insulting each other for free.  

Are you suggesting that we have to start paying a fee to insult and flame each other?

Damn...I want to be the treasurer of this club...

I wouldn't be too surprised if there were just be a few payable violations in reply to your post...

[kahuna]

And I just wander over to my home page and low and behold the headline reads...

Friendship May Lie in the Genes

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DNA-guided temperament helps decide whom people are drawn to, study suggests

-- Robert Preidt
Today's Health News

THURSDAY, Aug. 9 (HealthDay News) -- As people mature, genetic factors may strongly influence who they choose as their friends, a U.S. study finds.

The study, which was published in the August issue of the journal Archives of General Psychiatry, tracked more than 1,800 male twin pairs from mid-childhood to early adulthood between 1998 and 2004.

"As we grow and move out of our home environment, our genetically influenced temperament becomes more and more important in influencing the kinds of friends we like to hang out with," lead author Dr. Kenneth S. Kendler, professor of psychiatry and human genetics at Virginia Commonwealth University's School of Medicine, in Richmond, said in a prepared statement.

This kind of research may help improve understanding of who may be at risk for future substance abuse or other "externalizing" behaviors such as conduct and antisocial personality disorder, the researchers said.

[Guest]

(Looker @ Aug. 10 2007,12:57) We were born as blank tapes, and every single action, sound, word that we pick up from the very first moment we are out of Mom's womb serves to create our personality.
So, telling that the environment doesn't play any role it's like telling that we were born blind and deaf.
There are no studies proving that genetic contributes to some form of sexuality invertion. Also, a part from the hundreds of LBs we may have been with, I still don't see any real expert in here with the right qualification to talk about. We are just only guessing and insulting eachother for free.  
What I can say, it's that genetic may partially play a role in the physical aspect of someone but definitely it's the personality building up that completes the whole process.
To put it simple, if someone was born (by genetic) with a smooth body and sort of feminine facial features, and it start growing up quietly and in a "whimpish" way without playing sports and tending to stay at home looking at what Mom and sis/bros are doing at home I/O getting his ass in the street to play, there may (just may!!) have the possibility to develop a sort of homosexual character that may (or not) blossom further in to the full being a female feeling.
If and when that happens, it will be extremely fast to start building up an attraction for same sex and the female acute sense of sexuality will kick in, even at a very tender age. It's simply what separates a man from being (more or less) hetero to be (more or less) homosex. We all have the same possibilities of becoming homosexual, just in some people this is dramatically enhanced by the surrounding conditions, the readings we may do, the kind of friends we may hang up with and, perhaps, also the not-so-well-proven theories like having an elder brother or a dominant father/mother and blah blah blah...

Never heard such rubbish.

So why is it that some people can smoke and not become addicted? So are you saying we are all as likely to have heart disease or lung cancer when we are born and that genetics make no difference? Why then can some people eat high fat foods and smoke all their lives and live until they are 100, whilst others never smoke, exercise and have a good diet but die of heart disease at the age of 45? Surely this is because of genetics?

I think we are born with our sexuality and that only thing environment does is make us supress it or become open about it.

[stogie bear]

Never heard such rubbish...

This whole thread is full of it, mate. We are better off shagging them rather than trying to figure out why and how they are who they are.

It's interesting to read of some peoples ideas on this subject but in general they are pretty poorly thought out and I believe most of them to be nowhere near the facts of this matter.

Some guess work along with mutilated ideas borrowed from elsewhere don't make us experts at this. Mind you - it's a riveting read. Even the 'personal experiences' are so off the mark as to be unbelievable or at best, dubious in factual recollection.

[Looker]

(ozzie @ Aug. 10 2007,13:26) I think we are born with our sexuality and that only thing environment does is make us supress it or become open about it.

Right..I remember well having my first hard-on when I saw a nurse..I must have been..let me see..3 hours old??
On the opposite..a faggoty boy nearby me, who was already 1 day old, was heavily fantasizing about a muscular male nurse who was attending us!
Ozzie..please..read what I wrote I/O writing what you did

In any case..STOGIE IS PERFECTLY RIGHT!
No experts in here..so we are just pushing our egos around pretending to be Nobel prize candidates

[razrman]

Just throwing my 2 cents here and adding a perspective from a Malaysian/Singapore angle. Relative to Thailand it's a more urban society. Many ladyboys I've spoken to say their mother gave them support when they had a liking for things feminine.
A few even said their mother dressed them up as girls when they were young and bought them dolls for toys. Although I wouldn't go so far as saying the mother is the primary cause of their feminisation, I would say they did help things along.
I did speak to a mother of a ladyboy who is now in her early twenties and she seemed proud of her "daughter".
Also, most ladyboys mention that they want to live as ladies as the mean reason for them to "transition" but few seldom mention an attraction to men as the primary reason. For more info on Singapore ladyboys check out their forum called sgbutterfly which is very revealing.

[Guest]

Looker, your BF Skinner 'behaviorism' psychology idea was disproven a very long time ago.

Stogie, you say everyone is wrong and not an expert, and telling lies of experiences, thus implying you know better than all posters on the topic, and that we all lie? Your own comments apply to yourself of course.

The primary source of my comments, btw, is from a combination of academic writers, doctors and very educated LBs who have written about the topic. Their views are all consistent with my own observation and discussions with LBs, which I have documented as well, about 100 or so and counting.

I actually do think we are quite ok at giving our own non expert views on this. This entire forum is non expert views on various topics as noted many times before. We are remarkably consistent except for views like those held by Stogie and Buttafly on this one. Being presumptuous and saying the majority of the academic world is wrong (and the posts above) is more than a bit off though in my view.

[stogie bear]

Yup, well - I'll let my record of common sense and accuracy speak for itself...

My issue isn't with people being wrong, per se... (although, I believe that they are.)

It's more a concern that opinions expressed here are interpreted by the lay-reader as factual or a reasonable assumption of facts. They should not be.

Nothing here and nothing about the science of ladyboys and transgendered ladies is anything more than an optomistic assembly of assumed information. I've read some bewildering rubbish by some so called 'experienced' followers and admirers of the 'third sex' and I've yet to see anyone really come up with any kind of science that is credible, believable and respectable.

Statistics are NOT science and scientists are nothing more than people guessing at things.

Academia is just like the green earth society. It's a respectable scam. It's like saying that the stock market is more respectable than gambling in Las Vegas. It's not, but it seems that way!

I know more about transgendered people and especially Thai ladyboys than any academic on earth apart from Dr. Sam Winter and I'll bet I can even compete with him on a factual analysis of any transgendered topic.

Think I'm arrogant? So do I!

I've yet to be outguessed and outsmarted by a college geek who laid claim to the crucible of knowledge that is ladyboys of Thailand. I'll go further and say that Buttafly has a one dimensional bias against ladyboys so his so called 'expertise' is a twisted venomous bile of anti-ladyboy rhetoric.

I'll go further and say that Ziggy has so far come up with no believable or credible opinion of his own that wasn't poisoned by online rubbish that he has accepted as fact. without considering the likelihood of it's authenticity.

Folks... you can believe and follow and have faith in who and what you want. But don't take the pseudo-smarty-pants guff that you see on this forum too seriously.

[kahuna]

(stogie bear @ Aug. 11 2007,04:23) Folks... you can believe and follow and have faith in who and what you want. But don't take the pseudo-smarty-pants guff that you see on this forum too seriously.

I truly hope folks don't take what's written here too seriously...especially regarding subjects such as this thread...it's all opinions and guesses...
and it is supposed to be fun here after all...

But you do have to admit some guys have given a great deal of thought to their opinions and others just shoot from the hip and make it up as they go along...

Some of us aren't leaders, but that dosen't mean we are simply followers either...

[Looker]

(stogie bear @ Aug. 11 2007,04:23) Statistics are NOT science and scientists are nothing more than people guessing at things.

Academia is just like the green earth society. It's a respectable scam. It's like saying that the stock market is more respectable than gambling in Las Vegas. It's not, but it seems that way!

STOGIE..damn if I like what you said!
Forgive the out-of-topic outburst but when I've talked with some financial guru-alike, they were doing the guessing game as much as I did.
The only difference it's that the fuckers were playing OPM (other's people money) and didn't risk a dime of their own
As well..I was talking to a friend who's a professor of economic sciences in a VERY respected Japanese university.
Fuck..a lot of talks..a lot of theories, and zero actions a part from fucking some of students in there
Just spending public money...

[fancylighters]

(liisawinkler @ Jul. 15 2007,12:16) i chose Other

if you read the book "Travesti" by Don Kulick one of the pivotal factors that propel the brazilian travesti or the shemale to become what they are is their attraction to male....which in a way is very conclusive of the fact that WE want to earn the admiration of men...

and i am not one to attach labels to anyone but MALE for us is anyone who resembles MAN and has the necessary masculine features which differentiate them physically from women....whether Gay, straight or whatever you call them....Male is defined by those boundaries in my opinion....

in my early childhood the erotic feelings for males was a major motivating force for my wanting to fashion and mold myself into an object desirable and worth their admiration...the interest in what a man thinks of me was an early and central and crucial starting point from which my transition started...

Lisa, I think there is a book (or a very interesting thread at least) in the story of your transition - - would love to read about it. Why you did what you've done, who you modeled yourself after, what body images you desired, and what types of guys you are interested in.

And if you'd post some pics of yourself as you evolved would be very cool.

Terry

PI T-girls rock!

[Guest]

I think you're self praise and blasting of everyone else who thinks differently sums it up well, Stogie.

I also think I've spent far more time on this topic in both formal research and personal experience (talking to people) than you will in a lifetime. Because of your inbred bias and self praise, you are incapable of accepting alternate views on this and a few other topics, and most certainly don't listen to LBs, because if you ask them about their lives (which you most certainly don't do) you always get the same answers. The foundation for most of my posts is this combination of research and personal experience. If I have no foundation, I'll say so. On this one, the evidence is overwhelming.

I attended a TG conference about 2 years ago, and the most memorable moment was when a FtM TG who was listening to someone describe his theory of why FtM's exist. The FtM stood up and said, "Listen, why don't you just ask me?". So, that's what I've been doing. Asking LBs about things like this. (Sam Winter was there too!)

But enough said, and I agree with Kahuna, we should get back to the fun part of the forum.

[donnnnnny]

most ladyboys in the land of smiles come from very poor rural backgrounds, the parents will support them and encourage them to become ladyboys because they know they can make big bucks from doing so.MONEY NUMBER ONE.thai society is nothing like western society so stop fucking making comparisons to what goes on back home.Thais sell there kids into brothels to pay depts, so to say parents dont support them earning money from being a katouy is absoulute crap. as long as the money comes home every month the mum and dad love it. means he can stay home and drink everyday while the wife watches tv and cooks.
they all send money home every month its there duty as a thai to do so, not like the west where we go snivelling to our parents when we mneed money (LMao)
NOpe ladyboys in thailand do it to make money, they are gay to start with is a possibility but from there its all money driven full fucking stop