LB Insecurity

[statuesque]

   ...Uhm, on second thought, I dont think its culture specific as well. Successful businessmen come in all colors and cultures. I dont know with statistics whether theres a higher percentage of Western risk-takers than their Oriental counterparts, but Im sure the answer to this wouldnt rely on quantity alone but rather quality as well. Dont you think?  


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[Looker]

(statuesque @ Feb. 22 2008,09:00) I dont know with statistics whether theres a higher percentage of Western risk-takers than their Oriental counterparts, but Im sure the answer to this wouldnt rely on quantity alone but rather quality as well. Dont you think?  

As a business owner living in Far East since long time, I can say that in general Asians, especially of Chinese heritage, tend to be more enterprising than Westerners in opening their own 'shop'. But this has to do a lot with the job situation where you have in general little guarantees of a solid occupation with a decent salary like instead happens in US/EU/AUS.
So, to some points, people feel that trying taking the risk to become a business owner maybe worthy, contrary to the West where you will think more than once to leave a decently paid job with good medical, bonuses, 14 months pay and a law that protects you.
Having said that, from my expenses I feel like saying to think twice before opening a business of any sort, since chances of success are much lower than what people believe.

[Naang Faa]

We have four members who own their own business...A hairdresser (here an Ratchada)
one owns a market stall in Lhat Prao and another has a very classy clothes boutique in
Siam square..and one has a 43 room apartment complex in Pattaya and is considering
building another when she (finally) hangs up her g-string...
Two others are considering starting an export business in a couple of years
(maybe with me if i can be bothered) The others are still young but they are all
more than capable of starting a little business venture in the future...
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[terryw]

My girfriend runs a travel agency in Ratchada near the Chinese Embassy. She has always said that the only alternative work was in a bar. Career opportunities for LB's remain limited.

[statuesque]

(Naang Faa @ Feb. 22 2008,15:25) when she (finally) hangs up her g-string...

...what do you mean by that, Miss Naang Faa?   Its quite difficult to follow all these British figures of speech actually    


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[Naang Faa]

Hi Miss Statuesque
Sorry i forget sometimes....
If a person retires from a long time job..say a soccer player,
they "hang up their boots" (never to be used again)...
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[statuesque]

 Ah I see, thanks for clearing that up.    I dont suppose Id be hanging up my thongs quite soon yet  


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[Fred_Nguyen]

(ziggystardust @ Aug. 19 2007,13:54) Mardhi and I discussed this, and it showed up on the Sponsor thread, so thought I'd bring it out as a new topic.

From my experience, many LBs feel extremely insecure about starting a business even when presented with all that they need and even support, for free!

I have now tried 3 times to pursuade LBs to start businesses, with me financing everything at the start, and providing help along the way. In all 3 cases, it totally flopped, in my opinion, because they thought they just couldn't do it, and were insecure about themselves as LBs starting and running a business.

Example. May has an accounting degree. She is also near finishing a second Computer Science degree. She now wants to do a Masters degree in another area. When I ask here what she wants to do when she's done all that (and hopefully not a P.hD!), she says, maybe do a laundry shop, or just work taking care of the house, cleaning, cooking. Even when I point out that the schooling is kind of useless for that, and the money earned in say, a Multi-Media Web Company might be 1000x fold a laundry shop, it goes nowhere. My impression of her response though, is something like 'I'm a LB, I can't do something like that'.

Likewise I offered 2 other very bright and close LB friends all the finances to start difference businesses.  First, a 'One Stop Shop' for organizing 'The Perfect Holdiay' (including LB venues!) toursim business, then second a farang LB 'One Stop Shop' for taking care of farangs from beginning to end during a surgery trip here. While we more or less proved we had the angles and ability to make these ideas work, they basically chickened out, and again, my interpretation of what they felt was that LBs cannot do new things like that.

I could be off, as all of these feelings I'm reading are very subtle, but I do get this impression of insecurity to do some things due to their gender. It is almost a fear actually.

Whadaya think?

Nice. The tosser generalizes about a whole group of people from a sample of 3 personal anecdotes.

How rigorously academic.

[Fred_Nguyen]

(Stewart @ Aug. 20 2007,20:16) Same here in Singapore. Trying to get Sporean staff to take initiative and leadership is sometimes like pulling teeth.

The 'system' of life here says that the government will take care of you, and they are not taught to think freely and independently compared to the 'west'

For fuck's sake!



I have heard people make this same sort of stupid generalization about so many countries, but this is the first time about Singaporeans...

In any country, there are some people who are more likely to be sheep and some who are not. If you find yourself working among sheep, perhaps that says more about you than anyone else!

A problem is that the employees you have, who are the people you are using to generalize from, may not be representative of the entire population at large.

[stogie bear]

First, a 'One Stop Shop' for organizing 'The Perfect Holdiay' (including LB venues!) toursim business, then second...

It seems equally feasible that the ladyboy thought that it was a crap idea that wasn't likely to give much return for the effort required.

Most people are NOT naturally 'business' inclined and those that are probably don't want to be 'set up' by someone who knows little to nothing about what they are doing.

Thais (generally speaking) (like most people) are lazy and opt for the easy route.

[statuesque]

Hmmm.. I just think its funny how..  
...I thought guys in this forum who are "enlightened" with their experiences with TGs would deny themselves being generalized as "gays" or "somethin' to tha' sort" AND YET when it comes to different areas of their lives (where they feel most secure and comfortable with) fall easily under being, well, too generalizing with others..  

...I thought being with TGs brings out the diversity of understanding human sexuality and gender thus acquiring better judgment not to "box" things right away as black or white.  

So, my point is, its just funny how we can simply generalize others when some of us dont even want to be generalized like the rest?  


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[stogie bear]

Point taken, but unless we want to punctuate every post with"But there are exceptions..." we'll have to live with the fact that for general discussions of a non-academic nature we will have to deal with generalizations.

Nothing wrong with that and it's not wrong to generalize about anything as I'm sure that everyone reading this will agree... except for maybe one or two who may or may not have their own reasons for not fitting into this generalization!!!

Er... yeah, I think that's what I was trying to say!

[stogie bear]

By the way... all men are pigs!

[statuesque]

 So if I like pigs better than most men, is that a generalization?    


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[statuesque]

...or a sign of insecurity? (Hey, just getting back to the topic here   )


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