Gender Identity

[PanzerPorn]

she could have been my Nanna but the age of those brazilian amazons is hard to guess

[Naang Faa]

she could have been my Nanna

Ok guys..just for the record..it wasn't me!

x

[sashasexy69]

NFAA, u keep asking us about our adventures but can we ask u about yours???

[Naang Faa]

I'm too busy with the girls to be involved it that sort of thing
x

[seamus]

(sashasexy69 @ Jun. 13 2008,20:47)  NFAA, u keep asking us about our adventures but can we ask u about yours???

You cant ask a Lady those sort of Questions

[Looker]

(Road Runner @ May 25 2008,18:46) Most of the girls I have talked to have all know from a very early age that they were girls.
Typically the sort of age mentioned was 5, 6, or 7 years old.

This is just plainly ridiculous..
Nothing against you RR, please don't misunderstand what I'm writing, since you're just referring what you were told.

I barely remember "what" I was at 5. And I stress on WHAT because I dare anyone coming and saying to me that at 5 or 6 you already have such a developed personality to know things..let alone to understand that you feel like wearing a miniskirt and hi-heels.

My memories of childhood starts at 6 y.o. and I remember my first day of school in my primary one, because coincidentally my Dad was due for a serious surgery the very same day, that's why I probably remember what was happening, or else it would still be in smoke. Imagine thinking if I wanted to be a guy, a girl or a giraffe

I think there are a bit too many "legends" on LBs.  

The ones who really go all the way are the very, very minority.

[Looker]

(andre459 @ May 25 2008,14:30) If someone this young can make this decision why can't they also vote, drink, smoke, have sex etc..

Whan I was 12 I was having sex, in my own way of course, and certainly NOT with the attitude and understanding of when I was having sex at 18-20 y.o.

I was also drinking, although I wasn't an alcoholic.

Most of my friends of same age were smokers..I didn't because simply didn't like it.

The only thing I wasn't doing was voting  

However, all the above activities were conducted in a rather silly way and almost totally without the understanding of consequences or the real mening of it.

[Road Runner]

Hello Looker,

I partly agree with you  -  my first memory is my first day at school at 5 years old  -  it was so totally different from anything else before.
Additionally I have never had any problems identifying what my own sexuality is so I'm having to work outside what I can personally relate to.


Lets look at how a child develops mentally.
Around 2 years of age you become aware of your own individual identity and start to assert it  -  the terrible 2's!
Around 5-6 you start to become sexually aware.  Not that you start wanting to have sex  -  but that there is a difference between boys and girls.
Nothing to do with the difference in bodies though many children have discovered there is a difference by then.
A 5-6 year old perceives that boys behave like boys and want to do 'boy' things and a girl behaves like a girl and want's to do 'girl' things.
Yes they do play together and often play the same things but similarly they will also purposely play apart and the type of play starts to diverge.


Now think if you are transgendered  -  we'll assume male to female like ladyboys.

Do you want to play girls games or boys games?
OK I know at 5-6 there is not much difference between what they play  -  
but maybe you want to play nursing babies with dolls like the girls and were prevented and made to go and play football with the other boys?

Do you want to play dressing up and putting on makeup like your mother.  Do you find girls clothes pretty and want to wear them.

Do you want to play games like soldiers or do you want to go and play making homes with tea sets.


OK none of the above means the child understands at 6 years old that they are  -  'in the wrong body' to use an often quoted phrase.
But the perception that they are something different probably does occur then.
I admit it can only be much later they realise the real reason behind those feelings and then relate them back to their earlier memories.


RR.

[Looker]

(Road Runner @ Jun. 14 2008,19:30) I admit it can only be much later they realise the real reason behind those feelings and then relate them back to their earlier memories.

Eaxctly, RR, and even if that.
My first memory of talking about sex wasn't till I was around 10, and that happened with lots of confusing feelings and strictly between guys. Like I guess it happened for most of us.
Boys pulling other boys' dick while talking about girls, and wondering if they poo and pee from the same hole like a platypus

As for the gender attitude, I was given boy toys to play with and I grew up (more or less) with manly insticts. I could have had dolls and maybe things would have steered differently. Who knows..

Anyways, not here to dig back all the academic wannabes' postings..and Ziggy is not even around to label me as ignorant, so no fun at all

[Road Runner]

Hello Looker,

I'm not sure  -  but I think you maybe are confusing the dawning of understanding of sex with that of gender.

You say you started talking about sex when you were 10.  I did not understand anything about sex untill I was 11.
But I knew I was a boy (my gender was male) sometime before that  -  same as I am sure you knew you were a boy before you were 10 years of age.

It's not that you conciously say  -  I'm a boy NOT a girl!    
It's that you feel comfortable playing with boys - with boys toys  -  being in the same clothes as other boys.
Similarly you feel uncomfortable playing with girls and girls toys and dressing in girls clothes.

You say you were given boys toys to play with and suggest if you were given girls toys maybe thing would have been different.
I would say that you would maybe have been confused or disappointed but it would not have led you to become a transsexual/gay/whatever.


Bring things forward to today.........right now.

What if your best  male friend showed up and said I'm going to go and buy a new iPod and then have a few beers, want to come with me?  What thought goes through your mind?
Alternatively your girlfriend shows up and says lets go shoe shopping and then we'll spend two hours having our hair done.   What goes through your mind then?

I know what goes through my mind at the second alternative...        You worked that difference out when you were about 5 or 6.  -  that's gender.
You did not understand why the difference and it had no importance to you until you approached the start of puberty  -  10-12 years old  -  that's sex.


A transsexual comes up with an answer at 5 or 6 just the same.
What you could say is by an accident of birth they realise they don't understand the question because the answer is wrong for them.
That's probably why many of them do remember it was 5-6-7 when they realised that they were different  -  not that they understood.


Same like I did not understand why my mother left me with these strange children and adults one day when I was 5.......   on my first day at school.  


RR.

[Looker]

(Road Runner @ Jun. 15 2008,00:39) You say you were given boys toys to play with and suggest if you were given girls toys maybe thing would have been different.
I would say that you would maybe have been confused or disappointed but it would not have led you to become a transsexual/gay/whatever.

That's exactly the point, RR. Who knows?

I didn't make any choice in my life until I was maybe 10-11, and the ones I did were choices having very little impact anyway. Preferring chicken to fish? No..it's not that what makes the difference.

The molding of my personality was almost totally out of my control, as it happenes to most of us. And when you "wake up" to the real life of mid-post puberty it's all too late because life starts flying in your face painfully, and what you already are it's hardly going to change.

No, I'm not confused at all about sex, gender, and all what comes along. I just wish I had smarter parents..but that another story.  

So, I'm now left with a wagon of "if"..but it's all too late, and pointless anyway